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[–] neuromancer@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Is OpenVPN not just SSL traffic?

They can block the default port and IP addresses owned by VPN service providers, but is there any way to block the protocol without block all encrypted web traffic?

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 159 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Blocking all encrypted traffic... fantastic suggestion comrade, I'll forward this on to the Kremlin. Also, you've been drafted.

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[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a custom protocol that uses SSL/TLS for key exchange and such, so it can be detected. It's actually causing huge problems for many large Russian companies, as it's common to use those protocols for remote access, work, etc.

As mentioned in the article you need something like "Shadowsocks" to avoid protocl blocking, since it fully disguises the traffic as standard SSL/TLS. Which was created for, and is still used to circumvent this type of blocking in "the great firewall of china".

[–] gnuhaut@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago
[–] ladel@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

SSL is a higher layer thing, isn't it? A VPN is just encapsulating an IP packet in another IP packet and getting it the tunnel endpoint. Unless the whole of the IP packet is encrypting, the service provider could just sniff your packets and block anything that looks like an IP packet in the outer packet payload?

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[–] AES@lemmy.ronsmans.eu 5 points 1 year ago

Yes there is a difference between https traffic.

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[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SpicyPeaSoup@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Worse: shithole country that turns everything they touch into shit too.

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[–] avater@lemmy.world 65 points 1 year ago (5 children)

using a vpn is also illegal in russia since 2017 😅

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 16 points 1 year ago

But also laws don't really matter in Russia.

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

annnd another dictatorship box checked off the list... wont be long now

[–] bufordt@sh.itjust.works 59 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Until what? Until Russia is a dictatorship? That ship sailed a long time ago.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Won't be long before Putin catches up to Kim Jong Un in the Oppression Olympics

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Until he stops pretending?

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 49 points 1 year ago (7 children)

But how are their propaganda farms going to be able to pretend they are in your country now?

[–] Ubermeisters@discuss.online 24 points 1 year ago

They still get to operate don't worry!!

[–] avater@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

official companies are still able to use vpn 😏

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[–] biblbrox@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I live in Russia and I have vps with wireguard vpn in Netherlands. At the current moment it works for me pretty well except the some connection failures two days ago. But they were very short. But I don't know how long my vps will be accessible with these fucking blocking.

[–] godless@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You might want to sign up with astrill. Greetings from China, we've been dealing with this shit for decades.

[–] biblbrox@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Thanks for advice. I didn't hear about it before. It will be my backup plan.

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[–] HootinNHollerin@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Proton vpn has a feature that can be turned on for oppressive governments, ‘alternate routing’ I believe. Would that be sufficient or no?

[–] eroc1990@lemmy.parastor.net 11 points 1 year ago

Theoretically, yes, since there are options other than WG/OVPN available through Smart Protocol, which Alternate Routing leverages.

[–] falkerie71@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now comes the Great Russian Firewall.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] lud@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

I don't think they can afford copper at the moment. Try cotton maybe.

[–] breakerfall@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

ProtonVPN has a "stealth" protocol. Does anyone know if that breaks through?

[–] pipes@pawb.social 11 points 1 year ago

protonvpn hasn't worked here at all for a long time now lol

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[–] tal@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am pretty confused by the article.

What I'd expected based on what I've seen so far was that the Kremlin would not care what protocols are used, just whether the a given VPN provider was in Russia and whether it provided the government with access to monitor traffic in the VPN.

So, use whatever VPN protocol you want to talk to a VPN provider where we can monitor or block traffic by seeing inside the VPN. You don't get to talk to any VPN providers for which we can't do that, like ones outside Russia, and the Russian government will do what it can to detect and block such protocols when they pass somewhere outside of Russia.

But that doesn't seem to fit with what the article says is happening.

The media in Russia reports that the reason behind this is that the country isn’t banning specific VPNs. Instead, it’s putting restrictions on the protocols these services use.

According to appleinsider.ru, the two protocols that are subject to the restrictions are:

  • OpenVPN
  • WireGuard

A Russian VPN provider, Terona VPN, confirmed the recent restrictions and said its users are reporting difficulties using the service. It’s now preparing to switch to new protocols that are more resistant to blocking.

I don't see what blocking those protocols internal to Russia buys the Kremlin -- if Terona conformed to Russian rules on state access to the VPN, I don't see how the Kremlin benefits from blocking them.

And I don't see why Russia would want to permit through other protocols, though maybe there are just the only protocols that they've gotten around to blocking.

EDIT: Okay, maybe Terona doesn't conform to state rules or something and there is whitelisting of VPN providers in Russia actually happening. Looking at their VK page, it looks like Terona's top selling point is "VPN access to free internet" and they have a bunch of country flags of countries outside of Russia. So maybe Russia is blocking VPN connectivity at the point that it exits Russia, and it's affecting Terona users who are trying to use a VPN to access the Internet outside Russia, which would be in line with what I would have expected.

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[–] Ildar@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It was not working 2 day on mobile operators, now waiting full shutdown

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago (27 children)

Russia is a terrorist state. #SlavaUkraini #ArmUkraineForVictory

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[–] egeres@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is it possible to bypass this block? Say, embedding VPN packets within a different protocol?

I don't know why some moron downvoted you, but the answer is maybe. For reference, I have always bypassed SSH firewall blocking by sneaking SSH packets within https.

The only way this won't be possible is if the government enforces installing a certificate to use the internet, so that they can do a man-in-the-middle-attack. I heard this is already being done in Afghanistan.

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[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is this just address/port blocking, or DPI of some kind? I'm wondering what they can trigger off?

[–] callmepk@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Shadowsocks/ShadowsocksR/vmess/vless/trojan:

[–] daveydee@midwest.social 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Couldn't you just use any server/droplet/AWS instance via SSH to get around this law? Seems much simpler.

[–] eroc1990@lemmy.parastor.net 15 points 1 year ago

If you're savvy enough, sure. But for the lay person who doesn't want a clouded view of the world, they likely won't have the same resources or technical capabilities.

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[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

This has been happening intermittently since 2012 or something.

Not wg, cause it wasn't popular then.

HTTP\HTTPS tunneling etc are not that hard, ya knaw.

Or encrypted GRE, ffs.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

!chapotraphouse@hexbear.net will love this.

After a discussion that lasted for way too long, it appears that they like censorship.

They think that this is a perfectly reasonable argument: https://youtu.be/QFgcqB8-AxE and that the government knows better and thus information should be suppressed.

Absolutely ridiculous...

[–] HootinNHollerin@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Peeps on hexbear are atrocious

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes they are. And they shadow delete comments! That's after several of their members straight up sent abusive messages to me. I of course reported them. That's when I noticed my comments deleted.

I'm not too worried about it. If that's how they are with others, their message and community won't reach far. Fuck em

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[–] Antimutt@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

However will they get messages through??

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