Yeah, especially when you imagine that they are accustomed to not having to seek out knowledge or even entertainment. When algorithms feed you everything and your attention becomes a commodity you don't need to develop the skill to actually find it, or the wherewithal to even imagine that you need to go out and find it.

I believe those of us who were online in the 1995-2010 era remember what it was like to have an internet full of possibilities that you could explore and discover, but that was the exception.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I hate to be the guy to say it, but its a genuine lack of curiosity about "how things work."

[–] Supermariofan67@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because all they're growing up with is dumbed down corporate black boxes of tech devices, along with a narrative that it's wrong and evil to build, fix, copy, and be curious

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Literally just referenced this elsewhere to make the exact same point.

Well, no. But I do believe corporations rob us of our dignity and independence, and that these systems must be ripped down, burnt down, or leveled by any force necessary.

Corporations make things easy so when you have to learn how to do it on your own, you'll see that the cost of time/money/effort as too great and go back to the simple, effective, easy, low-cost corporate solution.

In many ways, it's not really their fault, it's driven by corporate control. Of course, it would be nice if they could break free and see that learning how things work is a useful means to an end (fuck, it's why I know how to sew and have clothes that have lasted over a decade), but you can't win over everybody.

[–] grahamsz@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I disagree, I have a 9 yr old son and he's all about how everything works. I think the problem is that it's too easy, for most of his questions it takes literally a minute to find a youtube video that explains nearly any concept. I certainly don't mean to belittle that but he'll have some question like "how can a cluster of satellites observe the entire planet" and he can have that question answered in seconds, and be force-fed ten more youtube videos on more of the same.

When I was his age (would have been 1989) that'd be a very difficult question for me to answer. Even though that problem had been solved for hundreds of years, I'd have probably needed to start with an encyclopedia and try to find enough about orbits to dig more. My dad knew a bit about space, maybe he'd have been able to point me in the right direction, but there was never an easy video to answer that.

There's an ability to access knowledge like there never has been before, the breadth and depth of knowledge on the internet is something we could only have dreamed of 30 years ago. The dream was that this equitable access to information would create a more informed and more inquisitive society, but somehow it's just made us lazy.

I'd like to see my kid realize there's not an easy youtube answer and actually go do more digging and synthesize an answer. I think he's well-placed to develop that skill but it's not something most people posess.

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the problem that comes with that is overstimulation and a lack of boredom. In my experience kids (and perhaps adults as well) learn best if they have to learn in their own speed. Having everything spoon fed to you, especially when it’s an overwhelming amount of information, can get too much and people shut down.

Maybe it’s conspiracy theory territory, but I sincerely believe that the combination of overstimulation, decision fatigue and FOMO by the thousands of entertainment and information sources really doesn’t work well with human brains. I don’t think that people have become more lazy, it’s a form of mental overload.

[–] grahamsz@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

That's very true too. I like the way Matthew Crawford talks about the Attention Economy and how we're essentially selling our attention to websites in return for "free" content.

I also think there's a real difference between actively sourcing information and mindlessly consuming it. Going to Netflix to specifically watch Black Mirror or Orange is the New Black is substantively different from opening Netflix and letting the algorithm suck away a few hours of your evening. Youtube tutorials are amazing and I've used them for all kinds of home, work and personal projects but it's also very easy to watch a bunch and feel like you know how to do something. I expect watching a really satisfying video of someone hand-cutting a dovetail joint between two pieces of wood releases a good chunk of the dopamine of actually doing it yourself, but it's not the same... not at all.

[–] Misconduct@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Remember going to the library and trying to find things in encyclopedias lmao

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't think you necessarily disagree as much as not seeing your own child as the outlier they are. When you surround yourself with others who are willing to do bare minimum amounts of research to find an answer, it's easier to act like it isn't a problem.

Yet, I live in a country where massive amounts of people are rejecting things that are insanely simply to research and to prove like the efficacy of vaccines, for instance, or whether Donald Trump is a grifting buffoon. These people have no interest whatsoever in doing research that will undermine what they've already chosen to believe. Motherfucker we have flat earthers out here building rockets to "prove" the earth is flat. Even some of the ones who do research, like the flat earthers, just move the goalposts and don't seem to learn when science proves them wrong.

The sad reality is that if there are simple answers in front of them, most people won't look for harder ones. I simply think your child is an outlier in being willing to do any amount of research on things they are interested in. For many people it's incredibly hard to get them to even consider doing such a thing.

[–] Misconduct@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think you're also basing your opinion on your limited world view. Morons have been anti vaccine since they were invented that's absolutely not even remotely new. Honestly most of your complaints can been seen throughout history in various forms because it's all just human stuff. I would caution you to try to avoid this thinking if possible because, frankly, it's some boomer shit. You picking up a sense of superiority and dunking on "kids these days" is just following the same pattern of every generation before you with slightly updated complaints.

I'd love to see humanity as a whole grow out of it and realize that the "kids these days" are just inexperienced people navigating the world exactly like we did. They have similar AND different challenges that they're reacting to. Many of them behave exactly like you would if you were born in the same gen.