I heard with some things it's actually becoming cheaper to be green, as a result of engineering innovations leading to improved efficiency. Hopefully that trend continues.

Especially when some geniuses finally work out viable nuclear fusion. Real Engineering had a video on a US company working on some next-level fusion reactors, that seem really close to being actually ready.

[–] MelonTheMan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fact that clean energy is cheaper without subsidies makes the whole corrupt apparatus even more apparent. Oil and gas beg congress to end subsidies for cleaner solutions because they're having to compete which is a bad woke thing.

Just look at how long it took coal to die. And now we have "cleaner" nat gas which turns out causes more acute warming than CO2. And rather than convert to a sustainable solution they double down and green wash.

Removing pipelines would just let them raise prices and get richer but honestly if it curbs consumption it's a net positive.

[–] complacent_jerboa@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, did coal die though? Germany basically runs on coal since they shut all their nuclear power plants down (AAAAAAAAAAAAAA FUCKING WHYYYYYYYYY), and the US still has a fair few places that use it as well. I don't know what the situation is like in developing countries, but I wouldn't be surprised if at least some were reliant on coal.

[–] MelonTheMan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah sorry I really meant just look at how long it took for coal to START to die.

Nuclear is such a no-brainer I can't really understand why we don't have more development. I assume its lobbying and initial investment costs but I don't know for sure.

[–] complacent_jerboa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

What happened is nuclear reactor failures at Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, and Fukushima caused a huge public backlash, resulting in an actual mass anti-nuclear movement. Like I mean protests, political parties, the whole deal.

There was a huge popular push to decomission existing nuclear reactors, and in Germany the relevant political party became hugely successful and basically closed all their nuclear plants.

This is a big part of why the green energy movement, while enthusiastically endorsing solar/wind/hydro/geothermal/etc, doesn't really support nuclear.

Aside from all that stuff, the economics of nuclear fission reactors are just much more long-term than those other kinds of energy generation. Nuclear reactors take a lot of time and resources to build. Both in and of themselves, and to make sure everything is properly up to safety standards. That initial investment will of course be recouped as the power plant keeps running, but it takes years and years. Of course, this is mainly a "downside" because of our definitely very rational economic system, which is obsessed with quarterly profits and is apparently allergic to these kinds of longterm investments.

There is work being done on developing smaller scale fission reactors with fewer up-front costs, but public sentiment still seems to be against it. Research into nuclear fusion seems to be going pretty great (the stuff Helion's been working on looks promising), so if that comes through maybe we won't have to fight a tide of stupid public sentiment to get proper, stable renewable energy.