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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

don't be surprised when your expectations aren't met

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lmao. Don't worry about my expectations. You're the one who's going to be really fucking bummed when you find out a post-American hegemony world is more of the same old shit.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Like I said, whatever helps you cope.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Copium not needed. Everything is good on my end. Feel free to have my share though I think you'll need it.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nah, I don't think I will. We're headed for a whole different world where the parasitic leech that's been sucking lifeblood from the planet is about to shrivel and die finally. Liberalism and capitalism are about to be the thing of the past.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Except that if the US completely collapsed China would most likely take its place and China is a hypercapitalist uniparty state. The incentive to make the favorable unilateral deals with smaller countries will be removed. They would over time opt for coercion via soft power. Unlike the US they would not grant citizenship to foreigners because they would want to remain as culturally, physiologically and ethnically homogenous as possible. They wont embrace diversity nor will they embrace dissent. This will become harder as the Chinese people become used to wealth. They would be less neurotic than the US but would of course still actively work against the interests of a nation with designs on being their rival. The population pyramid will hit them in about 15-20 years and they will have to support far more elderly than they have the ability to. As a result, they will become more aggressive on the international stage. China's greatness will not suffer if there are resources for the taking that will solve the problem. They will bribe leaders of puppet states for access to resources and exploit the country to fund their deficits. Because the yuan (or renmibi) will likely be the worlds reserve currency they will have the exclusive ability to export their inflation and outspend any nation during wartime. They would be foolish not to use this tool against their enemies.

Things might be good for 80-200 years but once the ruling generation is completely disconnected from struggle they will become more selfish. The nation will begin arcing towards collapse.

At no point would they ever care about the sharing the spoils of their success with the workers of the world, consider eliminating the idea of a nation state or abandoning a debt-based system of technocratic slavery. Why would they?

I'm sure after the crash of the Chinese Republic the revolution will take place and we'll be rid of the blood-sucking leeches once and for all... right?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

so much projection happening here

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All of human history tells us that human beings are self serving creatures. There is no reason for a society with every possible advantage to arbitrarily relenquish its superiority for 'muh communism'. It's a pipe dream.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People being selfish simply means we need to design systems where acting in your own interest aligns with the common interest. Communism accomplishes this far better than any other system that's been tried. No system will ever be perfect, but it's clear that some systems achieve better results than others.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Communism's only lasting acheivement is causing 70 million of it's own people to starve to death in the 20th century due to malice and incompetence. Strategic positions are filled to solidify power not meritocratically. It incentivizes people with pervasive fear. Fear of sureveillance and secret police. Fear of going to the gulag, being shot in the street or being sent to the frontlines of a war without a weapon. God help you if there is a color revolution and you happen to wear glasses. You are a slave and there is no way out. You have nothing to call your own, no aspirations just hopelessness. Communism has been tried. It doesn't work.

In a world where no system is perfect saying that Communism is the least maligned is laughable. We have over a 100 years of data at this point. Data that we can access and process due to the information technology revolution driven almost entirely by the flawed but extremely innovative west.

Allowing people to reap the fruits of their own labor is aligned with the common interest because it gives people some sense of self sovereignty which, in the end, is what everyone wants. You can invest your wealth in initiatives you find valuable and grow your wealth while fueling innovation. Capitalism in and of itself isn't some evil invention. Subversion and degeneration of culture are the culprits. Communism has the same issue but there is no hedge against it because the people don't really have any power.

Bet on greed.

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Communism’s only lasting acheivement is causing 70 million of it’s own people to starve to death in the 20th century due to malice and incompetence.

You underestimate what a communist can do with a comically large utensil.

muh 100 gorillian

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Millions of people starving to death lmao!!1!

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I love how you just keep regurgitating nonsense that has no basis in reality. Here's a dose of reality for you. Go educate yourself instead of clowning around here.

Professor of Economic History, Robert C. Allen, concludes in his study without the 1917 revolution is directly responsible for rapid growth that made incredible achievements possible

Study demonstrating the steady increase in quality of life during the Soviet period (including under Stalin). Includes the fact that Soviet life expectancy grew faster than any other nation recorded at the time:

A large study using world bank data analyzing the quality of life in Capitalist vs Socialist countries and finds overwhelmingly at similar levels of development with socialism bringing better quality of life:

This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development.

This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development.

This study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s after transition to capitalism, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe.