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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People being selfish simply means we need to design systems where acting in your own interest aligns with the common interest. Communism accomplishes this far better than any other system that's been tried. No system will ever be perfect, but it's clear that some systems achieve better results than others.

[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Communism's only lasting acheivement is causing 70 million of it's own people to starve to death in the 20th century due to malice and incompetence. Strategic positions are filled to solidify power not meritocratically. It incentivizes people with pervasive fear. Fear of sureveillance and secret police. Fear of going to the gulag, being shot in the street or being sent to the frontlines of a war without a weapon. God help you if there is a color revolution and you happen to wear glasses. You are a slave and there is no way out. You have nothing to call your own, no aspirations just hopelessness. Communism has been tried. It doesn't work.

In a world where no system is perfect saying that Communism is the least maligned is laughable. We have over a 100 years of data at this point. Data that we can access and process due to the information technology revolution driven almost entirely by the flawed but extremely innovative west.

Allowing people to reap the fruits of their own labor is aligned with the common interest because it gives people some sense of self sovereignty which, in the end, is what everyone wants. You can invest your wealth in initiatives you find valuable and grow your wealth while fueling innovation. Capitalism in and of itself isn't some evil invention. Subversion and degeneration of culture are the culprits. Communism has the same issue but there is no hedge against it because the people don't really have any power.

Bet on greed.

[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Communism’s only lasting acheivement is causing 70 million of it’s own people to starve to death in the 20th century due to malice and incompetence.

You underestimate what a communist can do with a comically large utensil.

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[–] Manmoth@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Millions of people starving to death lmao!!1!

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I love how you just keep regurgitating nonsense that has no basis in reality. Here's a dose of reality for you. Go educate yourself instead of clowning around here.

Professor of Economic History, Robert C. Allen, concludes in his study without the 1917 revolution is directly responsible for rapid growth that made incredible achievements possible

Study demonstrating the steady increase in quality of life during the Soviet period (including under Stalin). Includes the fact that Soviet life expectancy grew faster than any other nation recorded at the time:

A large study using world bank data analyzing the quality of life in Capitalist vs Socialist countries and finds overwhelmingly at similar levels of development with socialism bringing better quality of life:

This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development.

This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development.

This study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s after transition to capitalism, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe.