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[–] dpflug@kbin.earth 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I'm stuck on there because /r/shorthand is inimitable (for now). !shorthand@lemm.ee, but it'll have to be bootstrapped.

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, never heard about shorthand systems.
What's that?
And why can't we have a comparable community here? (Like the one you linked and it's about screen didn't really give me any info on what it's about ;⁠-⁠))

[–] dpflug@kbin.earth 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Shorthand is a method of writing faster and/or more compactly. Speeds over 200 words per minute are attested, or fitting an entire printed page on a sticky note.

It's an extremely niche interest, so the main thing preventing a comparable community here is enough active users who are interested. I've wanted to do a series of posts teaching one of the systems, but I've not hand the chance.

[–] socialjusticewizard@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I've actually been interested in shorthand for years. If you want to migrate over some of the better old content from reddit, I'll sub and see what happens

[–] dpflug@kbin.earth 3 points 4 days ago

You know what, why not? I'll give it a go. Let's see what happens.

[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That sounds pretty cool actually! :⁠-⁠D

Is it hard to learn?
And could you maybe give me some entry level links or so?

[–] dpflug@kbin.earth 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think so!

The difficulty depends on several things, but the easiest systems can be picked up enough to use in a few days to weeks.

I'll try to put together an intro post this weekend. How would you rank these features?

  • Speed
  • Size on page
  • Less study required
  • Number of users
  • Ability to type it
  • Phonetic (texts written phonetically are about 20% shorter, but it is an extra thing to learn)
[–] naeap@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

As I'm rocking a reMarkable, my priorities would be ranked:

  • speed
  • size on page

Everything else, I'm not exactly decided on, like number of users isn't really important to me, because I'm mostly taking notes for myself.
Phonetics also aren't really important, because I'm mostly focused on technical stuff.
Study time? Well, it is what it is. And when it's worth it, I'll put in the time. But maybe it would be nice to have something quickly rewarding to start?

But this probably shouldn't be orientated about my needs.
Anything you provide about this interesting topic, especially when you include practical usage, is absolutely appreciated!

[–] dpflug@kbin.earth 1 points 4 days ago

It's all good. I just asked about your needs so I could give customised recommendations. :)

A popular option for folks that need exact spellings is Callendar's Orthographic Shorthand. One of the /r/shorthand regulars digitized the instruction materials. It starts off as a simple alphabet replacement, then layers on more space and time savings. On the Fediverse, @masukomi@connectified.com has been posting her take on it.

An easier and more compact option is Ponish. The manual is... eccentric, but the system is solid. It's a modernized version of the 17th century Tachygraphy system by Thomas Shelton. Because no characters depend on size to differentiate, you can write as small as your hand will let you. There is a lower speed ceiling than "Orthic" unless you do some system development of your own. I've got ideas for improvement, but that gets into the weeds.

Two other options worth mentioning: Sweet's Current & Schlam's. They look and feel more like cursive. The former gets complex, but it's uniquely beautiful. Both are available on /u/Filalethia's comprehensive shorthand archive.

I'll try to contain my jealousy over the ReMarkable. ;) I've wanted one for ages.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

there are a couple of niche communities there, that wont be easily replicated here if at all.

[–] dpflug@kbin.earth 1 points 4 days ago

That's the biggest problem with everyone doing the corporate socials' enshittification cycles instead of POSSE and/or independent services. Cool communities just fracture and die.

I've tried to get people to see this for decades. Maybe it'll finally enter the zeitgeist this go around.