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yeah but if you join, and your friends join, and they're friends, you know what nevermind

[Edit] holy shit people I get it, people like it small, take it easy it's just a meme, don't need to keep commenting and DMing

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[–] LeTak@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The same problem is in politics in Germany. They vote only for the big politicians who have already a big group of supporters and so a high chance to win. Like „ I don’t vote for xyz because they have only 0.5% of voters in Germany and can’t change anything by that“ . With this attitude they also grow very slowly.

[–] starman@programming.dev 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] Shartacus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

And it’s by design

[–] arthur@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This problem is a property of the way elections are done. Take a look: https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

There are alternative voting methods that can solve this. ("Ranked Pairs")[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_pairs] and ("Schulze")[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method] are my favorites, but ("Instant Runoff")[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting] would solve this problem as well.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Take a look: https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

Isn't that specifically about First Past the Post? (which is mainly only used in places that were once British)

[–] arthur@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

In Brazil we use a 2-round system where, if no one gets the majority, the 2 most voted will run the second turn. And it leads to the same problem.

[–] FRCLYE@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah but in that case they are right. Not voting for the bigger party that you don’t like that much could mean that another big party that you really dislike will win.

The people are not the problem, the system that doesn’t allow them to voice their opinions through a fully democratic vote is.

We usually talk about “democracies” as an umbrella term without regards to how their electoral and government systems actually work.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Bc changing the system is a challenge to the people who get power from that system.