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Guys, at this rate I don't think the revolution's going to happen anytime soon.

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[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

really searching for straws to grasp here eh?

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"I'm a leftist, and I proudly support 0 historical leftist movements which actually achieved anything"

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

wild leaps of logic, care to show your work? i could use entertainment

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Tell me one (1) leftist movement that actually achieved significant social change that you support

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i think the AANES have been very impressive in their efforts, personally. Funny how you dodged answering for how you got "doesnt support leftist movements" for defining tankie. 🤔

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lmao, the Rojava are a minor movement in a very restricted area, and will exist for as long as the US is interested in their presence in the region.

how you got "doesnt support leftist movements" for defining tankie

Hey, I'm not the one denying every socialist experiment in history and decrying it as "authoritarian" without having done any serious study on it, and sharing the same point of view on it with libs.

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

you have yet to explain where you are actually hearing that lmfao. unless, of course, being against violent repression and fascism as a rule somehow insults your sensibilities.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bringing up fucking rojava, that's how I know. No support for socialists who managed to change the world like the Bolsheviks or the Cuban revolution, or socialists like Gaddafi and Nasser.

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You roll your eyes, yet you think yourself smarter and better than all revolutionaries who existed and succeeded...

[–] Umbrias@beehaw.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

i am mostly rolling my eyes at the self tells of me saying fascism is unconditionally bad and you taking personal offense at that and looking for leftist purity tests lmao.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Fascism is unconditionally bad, but the term "red fash" is ahistorical, illogical and made up right wing bullshit to push people away from communism

[–] NuclearDolphin@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Winning is authoritarian. Everything makes more sense when you understand that this is where the opposition to "authoritarianism" comes from.

It's how you can denounce movements that win, while suggesting the left uses tactics that lose. It is a meaningless word that means successful deviation from the desires of the West.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 0 points 1 day ago

Bingo. The only "worthy" leftist movements in these people's minds are the ones that failed, because they weren't tested under real world conditions. Anarchism in the Spanish civil war, Allende, those are fine to glorify because they ultimately lost, and that way you can keep your moral high ground and standards by worshipping an idealised version of them rather than real-life socialism with material and historical costraints