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Yeah it is similar, but not the same (at least not yet).
China is a one-party state, and the government has control over private enterprise. If you are a Chinese company, the PRC ultimately has control of it, and that means the Chinese military has access to anything you have access to, if they want it.
This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.
Edit: For people who think I mean "party" like US political parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state#Current_one-party_states
Snowden released the fact that the major internet companies in the US literally have full time CIA staff and locked rooms with servers
Why is this on a different level? Is it because they're ASIANS?
That Snowden releasing the facts and it being brought up in courts, state congress, and federal congress as well as national news all revolved around it being illegal in the USA.
In the PRC it's only illegal to talk about it.
Did it stop?
Did you ignore the part where it's not illegal to talk about?
Yeah, the US is fucked, and there are some decent comparisons to China... But government control and oversight of business isn't one of them.
In fact, it's something that's severely lacking in the US. We have the complete opposite problem.
The specific program Snowden revealed supposedly ended in 2015, it collected information such as who was calling who and for how long. The 9th Circuit actually ruled it clearly illegal in 2020 and Snowden made a Tweet about it in a relatively good mood.
This is the best news I've heard all day! Thanks.
The long and short of it is even leftie Americans have internalised American exceptionalism, even if they aren't cognisant of it. And the right are, well... Racist and don't want to admit it.
There's no left in the USA, only liberals.
One government is actively committing genocide against subsets of their population I’d say it’s a pretty big fucking difference.
Yeah the US genocide of black Americans needs the earn them some serious sanctions, but it's not relevant to this discussion.
Uht oh. Brace yourself for leftists. Prepare to be deemed genocide supporter nazi extraordinaire.
There are several hundred political parties in China currently in office.
Cool. See number 1 on the list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state#Current_one-party_states
Cool, read how the Chinese government works. There are hundreds of parties within the cpc.
It's a one party state in the sense you have to agree China needs to progress in order to hold office. Just like traitors can't hold office in the US.
I wish you could realise how hilarious it is to read someone comparing the US and China on their number of political parties...
Oh? So you are saying that there are no functional difference between a federation of 50 states, each with individual (somewhat independent) local and state governments, and the authoritarian CCP?
When I say "China is a one-party state," I'm not referring to political parties as we would understand them in the US (Democrat/Republican). I am referring to the actual structure of the government.
You might want to maybe educate yourself on what a "one-party state" means in this context before trying to make snarky comments.
You're right, I'm sorry, I really should educate myself about the US beyond the 40+ years of propaganda I've had to endure and the absolutely constant, never ending stream of shit across all media I'm the grateful recipient of, thanks to the Internet™. But honestly, I'm kinda scared I'd actually die if I came to visit.
Meanwhile, my experience with China over the last ten years or so has left me regularly wondering, in the grand scheme of things, what the fucking difference is. You both are absolutely insane, from where I live.
But yes, I was totally cherry picking your message. I don't disagree with you, to be clear. I'm just amused about your choice of epithet.
No worries... apologies if I was snippy.
And yeah, the US and China are both insane... Unfortunately for me, as an American, China seems to be the more stable one these days (and it's only going to get worse starting 1/20).
What's so hilarious about it?
I'm being slightly disingenuous by focusing on one expression in the entire message, granted.
But honestly, using "one party state" as an epiteth, like that's what you want to focus on that's badwrong about China? that's amusing to me, reading this from Europe. YMMV.