Turns out, the 4 Thieves almost exclusively discussed harm reduction through testing today at 38C3! Twas quite hormone-centric in nature as well, which is based. I did not know that T is so cottage-cheesey, or E is super flat-clumpy, but meow I do lol...
I think the shock-value presentation, and some of their past mistakes gave me a lot worse impression than they deserve, tbh. It seems like they have the right idea, and also promote finding conclusions thru legitimate past research, rather than "trust me bro" shit.
It looks like they haven't put it on their site yet, but they will soon iirc. This is where it should be, when they get a copy of it and upload. Probably early January.
https://fourtheivesvinegar.org/videos
I am not sure, but the CCC might be leaving a recording of it up somewhere as well.