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WordPress.org statement threatens possible shutdown for all of 2025 – Computerworld (www.computerworld.com)
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“My sense is that many enterprise WordPress administrators will think twice about continuing to use the software under these circumstances,” said IDC Research Manager Michele Rosen. “It’s such a shame to watch a leader in the open source community repeatedly sabotage his own project.”

“At this point, I have real concerns about the impact of Matt Mullenweg’s words and actions on the overall image of open source software,” she added. “Even if he feels that WP Engine’s actions are unethical and the court is wrong, his actions are clearly having an impact on the WordPress ecosystem, including his own business. It seems self-destructive.”

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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 112 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I always find it funny how WordPress somehow believes they aren't just lucky that their EXTREMELY shitty software was useful at the time. It shows how power makes people think they have value.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (9 children)

I have tried it out like once every decade and it's always the same hot mess and I end up making my own homegrown html mess.

Is there no other FOSS alternative?

[–] kalleboo@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (2 children)

WordPress started out as a terrible hack PHP app and somehow while PHP the language has been improving to allow people to build sane apps, WordPress has somehow gone the other direction to make themselves EVEN MORE INSANE.

It used to be you could make a custom styled theme by taking the default theme and editing the HTML/CSS to customize the pages.

The current default themes use the most insane methods known to webdev. They replaced CSS with JSON files. And then use CSS embedded in JSON embedded in HTML comments inside of PHP files. It's completely incomprehensible.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 26 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I remember trying to edit the default theme once and simply couldn't work out why everything had a 5px margin around it. Even setting * {margin: 0 !important} didn't fix it

In the end it turned out to be an inline style, injected into the page by JS, after the rest of the page had loaded. It was apparently a fix for an IE6 bug, in 2019, why?

[–] expr@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago

The best is trying to change the styling of page-builder plugins that shove their css god-knows-where in the Frankenstein's monster that is the WordPress database schema.

I'm so glad that I'm a million miles from WordPress now. I'm convinced it's propped up entirely by contractors and ad agencies with minimal to no understanding of how to actually build software and just build on a mountain of hacks to do anything at all.

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

TYPO3, Drupal, Joomla and others come to mind, but these are fully fledged CMS and not as end-user friendly as WordPress.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 10 points 3 days ago

Oh no, Joomla is just Wordpres with worse documentation.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

The fully-fledged WP alternative should be called WordPrint

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

Isn't ghost an alternative?

[–] TheFunkyMonk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I build Craft CMS sites at work. It’s a paid product, but has a free version with some minor limitations and is open source. It’s fantastic.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

There are dozens, depending on what exactly you want to do.

[–] loopedcandle@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 3 days ago

Every once in a while I go looking for FOSS alternates to WordPress . . .can't find one. Ghost is the closest I got and it's nowhere near the same.

[–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've been looking into Payload CMS. It's FOSS for the non Enterprise features I believe.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Interesting but man, their website ( https://payloadcms.com/ ) is a resource hog, it crawls 😐 not a good showcase...

[–] jbd@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

Publii is a good alternative.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, Docusaurus. The idea of a site for editing the site is so overkill. Docusaurus is great, just write some Markdown, convert to standard HTML. It's what I use for: https://nowsci.com/.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That sounds like in-site editing with extra steps

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I actually use a system like that, mdbook?

You write in ml (open, modify, save), and then you have to "compile it" to static html that you then have to upload to your site.

Online editing: open site, hit some [EDIT] button, modify, hit [SAVE].

SO quite much more user friendly, lots of less steps.

[–] amon@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wordpress is overpowered for most blogs, it is underpowered for most web apps.

[–] umbraroze@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Which is why I'm a Drupal fan. It's wayyyy too overpowered for every purpose equally. ...If I need a personal blog, there's always Jekyll.

[–] amon@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Jekyll is so good