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No, I have standards (and a mobility-related disability). Murder is for those without an ounce of creativity and no humanity.
Amerika was birthed out of egregious amounts of outright genocide, at least two of them, maybe more; fym? Unless we're calling substantial swathes of Amerika fundamentally uncreative and fundamentally inhuman, this don't pass the smell test
Well it was uncreative and inhumane. Why would I advocate genocide? And by extension, why are we using that as a justification for more death?
I mean, if you advocate for Amerikans, that's exactly what you're advocating for. By saying 'murder is for those without an ounce of creativity or humanity', you make it sound like this is an aberrant state for Amerikan settlers; when this is just how they are and have been for 200+ years. By trying to play the "this is not who we are/this is not what we do" card, you make it sound like 'murderous avarice' isn't the natural state of the westerner. It's exceptionalism; and I find that distasteful at its most polite.
You can advocate for the good aspects of a nation and still condemn the bad ones. Never did I say I advocate "for Amerikans" in the sense that I believe in the nation unconditionally and as one construct (there's also the fact every state in the US is different and speaks for its own voice). I condemn all needless death. Not only did Luigi's actions amount to overkill that is itself overblown and overrated with the unrest being expressed in some unrealistic ways, but it was also a pointless one, as he simply removed a part of an entity that can regrow with another person in Thompsons' role. Just as with the condemnable American settlers, if someone absolutely had to carry out an act of defiance, there are many options, some more roundabout/effective/considerate than others.