If that's the lesson then when were we supposed to learn it? I am old enough to remember very well the last time Democrats tried to do something about healthcare. They gave up on single payer before the debate even started. Was that when I was supposed to learn to vote for them harder or was it one of the times they fucked over the only person with actual plans to implement universal healthcare?

Yes, Democrats are clearly better than the fascists masquerading as conservatives, but that doesn't mean they're fighting the good fight. They don't even try to force a vote on most things people actually care about. They just throw up their hands and complain that doing things is hard. Then everyone sits around blaming voters for not loving these ineffectual dipshits enough. Fuck that, they suck it's been that way for a lot more than 12 years.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

When Democrats had 60 votes one DNC Senator, Joe Liebermen, stopped singlepayer from passing.

Joe died in 2013 at the ripe old age of 82.

Every single Republican voted No on singlepayer. They also voted No on the Medicaid Expansion and Protections for pre-existing conditions. Republicans continue to tell us repeatedly that they want to gut Medicaid and that Medicare for the elderly is also on the chopping block, but they haven't been able to get 60 votes, yet.

So the answer to your question of when is: Every Goddamn Year. If you want Single Payer then just elect 60 Dems to the senate, OR just 10 to 13 anybody else who is willing to vote for Single Payer, and if one of them still betrays us then elect a few more. We have privatized healthcare because voters are voting for politicians who want privatized healthcare, simple as.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The amount of misinformation about this guy…

Joe Lieberman had been an independent for years when he voted against single payer, and he died in 2024, after 11 years of retirement.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ah mb lol

Well regardless he left office in 2013 and he's dead now, thankfully.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You’re good, I meant it literally about disinformation, so I don’t doubt you read it somewhere that seemed credible.

I’m from Connecticut, and we’re all still mad about it, so it always sticks out to me when someone thinks he was a democrat at the time (he did generally caucus with democrats, but was very pro-business. He was not elected again.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Thank you