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[–] capital@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Loose? Are you uninformed or purposefully spreading disinformation?

Finally, the Committee's bipartisan Report shows that almost immediately following Election Day in 2016, the Trump transition responded to Russia's election interference not by supporting punitive action, but rather by holding a series of secretive meetings and communications with Russian representatives that served to undercut the outgoing administration's efforts to hold Russia accountable. The transition's openness to this private Russian outreach prior to taking office, so soon after Russia's interference on Trump's behalf, combined with Trump publicly questioning Russia's involvement, signaled that there was little intention by the incoming administration to punish Russia for the assistance it had just provided in its unprecedented attack on American democracy."

I have no idea if it tipped the scales either and I agree we'll never know. But it seems important to point out the fact that the Trump campaign consistently cooperated with a hostile foreign government. If you want to call that "pushing russiagate"... Sure? I guess?

They failed to learn there lesson in 2016 and now here we are.

You realize they won in 2020, right? So, did Dems learn a lesson which won them 2020 and then forget this time around? It kinda seems like you're just spewing nonsense.

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Kind of burying the lead on that quote:

The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities

So trump didn't try and punish a foreign power that helped him get in, and instead talked to them after the fact. I guarantee he's talking to netanyahu right now, but no one cares about that. There's nothing in that quote proving he was coordinating during the election.

2016 was lost because the democrats are losing the working class because they didnt offer them anything and were just pointing to the horror of trump and hoping it would scare voters to there side. In 2020 Biden was pushing a fairly progressive program with build back better plus people wanted an adult at the wheel to handle covid. Then kamala ran the same campaign as Clinton running on minor iterative improvements that most people won't see while pointing to the boogie man of trump and hoping that will scare people, and it failed again, even worse this time.

Democrats need to listen there base and try and win the working class back. Biden did, he opened his doors to Bernie and Warren and gave them a place in the party. He was rewarded for that with record voter turnout. This time we didn't have a primary and dissent was stifled due to the threat of trump.

At least that's my view of it, why do you think we lost?, we can at least say this time it's not Russian interference.