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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Good work Pro-Palestinian voters who support, especially in Michigan, Mango Mussolini or an independent. We tried to warn you and there is going plenty of US made tungsten zipping through the air in Gaza and southern Lebanon, This also means you can kiss the West Bank good-bye and that is Israeli's primary objective.

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 hour ago

The outcome wasn’t even decided on Palestine. And the majority of people who are against the genocide understood what was at stake, tried to push Harris left but voted for her in the end.

So you can stop trying to scapegoat anyone who is against genocide as being somehow responsible for this outcome.

If her base had spent more time calling her out for simultaneously calling Trump “hilterian” while also copying Hitler’s policies and chasing after those Republican votes and trying to please her corporate masters rather than fighting for the working class and using left wing economic policies to go after the billionaires and do something substantial about the everyday cost of living, housing, food, healthcare things would have turned out different.

She needed those working class votes - all the people who will never own a home, can’t afford to go to a doctor and don’t give two shits about Palestine one way or the other.

It sure might have given her a bump if she had made any kind of signal that she would make any kind of change on Palestine post-election. Apply American law to stop some shipments of weapons to an active genocide. Instead we got “most lethal military in the world” and Walz saying Israel must expand its borders. You have to understand that people who know Trump is much worse would still vote for her given the circumstances, but that’s not going to cause a surge of a big group of people to get out and vote.

Still it may not have been enough without going to the mat to fight for the working class.

Like really, imagine if it was your family and friends who had been killed in their beds by a year of slaughter by Biden / Harris / Netanyahu. And people are telling you “yeah but you’ve gotta vote for the people who killed your family or the other guys might start killing more people”. I don’t know about you but if all my family and friends had already been killed I might not have the energy to go out and vote for their murderers, or even have the will to live or participate in this fucked up world anymore.

You can’t just shut down any leftist voices and continually run to the right and expect to win. If the voters who have been groomed for years on right-wing content want Hitler they’ve going to choose the real deal not Hitler-lite.

If you throw your hands up and decide you’re now pro-genocide all of a sudden because you’ve scapegoated the victims of genocide, I don’t think you were ever really opposed to it, and you’re likely to accept the next genocide and the one after that.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 hours ago

Democrats were never holding them back from expanding, they literally expanded the war into Lebanon under Biden. The only check they ever had are the people on the ground fighting.