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[–] themoken@startrek.website -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Those Palestinians were going to lose their land, families and lives either way. Biden has done nothing to stop Israel, neither would Harris. She made it abundantly clear that "protecting" Israel was more important than stopping genocide.

Gaza didn't cost Harris the election. Maybe Michigan, but even that's a stretch. Democrats lost ground in literally every demographic other than 100k+ income because, again, they campaigned to the right and offered absolutely nothing to the left.

If Harris told any other assumed Democratic group to fuck off this hard, nobody would be surprised they didn't vote for her. If she ran as pro-life to court Trumpers and her support from women collapsed we wouldn't be screaming about them getting in line, we'd be talking about Harris betraying those voters. This is no different, it just affects a far smaller voting bloc that people feel comfortable scapegoating.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Those Palestinians were going to lose their land, families and lives either way. Biden has done nothing to stop Israel, neither would Harris. She made it abundantly clear that “protecting” Israel was more important than stopping genocide.

Let's be realistic. Israel could raze Palestine any time it wants. They have the backing of the US and a vastly superior military. If Israel thought Biden and Harris would support Israel annexing the West Bank, they'd have done it over a year ago. In fact, they specifically said they're annexing the West Bank because they have Trump's backing.

If you were going to lose your land, would you rather lose your land X months or years from now, knowing you at least have a roof over your head until then and being able to hold on to the hope that maybe things might get better, or would you rather just wake up tomorrow with a giant orange bulldozer gleefully running over your house? Saying "It was going to happen anyway" is not only demonstrably false, but also doesn't mean that the solution to that problem is making it happen faster. If Israel were going to annex the west bank under a Biden administration, he'd have done it already.

[–] themoken@startrek.website 8 points 1 month ago

Israel is currently genociding Palestinians under a Democratic president, they didn't need Trump's approval for anything. The bulldozers are already running, the people are already having their lives destroyed.

Again, I voted Harris for harm reduction, so I see your point about Harris possibly being better for Gaza in the long run, but it's not "kill my friends now" or "kill my friends later" it's "kill my friends now" or "kill my friends now and maybe, just maybe, stop sometime around the midterms when it's politically convenient and only if Harris doesn't need to keep getting the fascist vote". I don't blame Gaza voters for looking at that choice and holding out for what they really want, which is "stop killing my friends now".