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"Israel’s far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has ordered preparations for the annexation of the occupied West Bank ahead of US President-elect Donald Trump taking office in January 2025."

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[–] kava@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

they've been self-defensing their way towards the total elimination and annexation of Palestine from the 1940s to now.

this whole thing really should not surprise anyone that knows even a simplified history of god's special country. they have been slowly and steadily inching towards their goal. they're not really shy about it.

hear it from Israel's first prime minister

"You are no doubt aware of the JNF's activity in this respect. Now a transfer of a completely different scope will have to be carried out. In many parts of the country new settlement will not be possible without transferring the Arab fellahin." He added: "Jewish power [in Palestine], which grows steadily, will also increase our possibilities to carry out this transfer on a large scale."

"With compulsory transfer we have a vast area... I support compulsory transfer. I don't see anything immoral in it."

Here's another guy, a director of the JNF, Joseph Weitz

"There is no way besides transferring the Arabs from here to the neighboring countries, and to transfer all of them, save perhaps for [the Arabs of] Bethlehem, Nazareth and Old Jerusalem. Not one village must be left, not one [Bedouin] tribe. And only after this transfer will the country be able to absorb millions of our brothers and the Jewish problem will cease to exist. There is no other solution."

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I just didn't think they would do it formally (de jure).

[–] kava@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

games like EU4 simulate it pretty well

when you first take a territory, it requires infamy. other countries look at you with sideways. you can't extract the full value out of the land yet. but after a long period of time (upwards of 50 years) it slowly starts to become legitimized. especially as you import settlers and built population centers. after a long enough time, it's both de facto and de jure yours and if you hold it long enough people will recognize it as yours.

so look what happened with West Bank. when Israel took control of WB in 1967, it was majority Palestinian.

what did they do? first, you import settlers. you give incentives for people to come and populate the area with Jews. you also tacitly endorse the ideology of the settlers, so they do it even without you actively supporting it (so you have some semblance plausible deniability when people call you out)

then, you take the native peoples and you herd them into smaller and smaller pieces of land. you restrict movement (like through their "jewish only roads" and the many checkpoints through the WB) (edit: sound similar to what Americans did to another native peoples by chance? almost like it was a blueprint)

fast forward to today, and now 63% of the land area of West Bank is majority Jewish. The Palestinian population is still higher, but they are forced into smaller and smaller pieces of low-value land. In about 50 years or so they've managed to turn a majority Arab area into a majority Jewish.

this gives them legitimacy. there's no way some future government, even if they wanted to be more generous, would ever give up majority Jewish land.

I'd say the entire process is gonna take ~75 years or so. we're almost to its conclusion. they're gonna replicate their WB strategy in Gaza, but since Gaza is much smaller and they're being much more brutal about it, it'll go much faster

I think the best way to become more resistant to propaganda is to read and understand history. If you only pay attention to this conflict since Oct 7th and you are getting your entire media diet from certain dubious sources, you don't stand a chance.

but if you deep dive and actually look at the history. look at the beginning of the state of Israel, look at the early leaders, what they were saying, what they believed. look at the process of occupation, what the policies have been (~~ethnic cleansings~~ population transfers, restriction of movement, blockade of gaza, destruction of airports, killing of journalists, etc)

then you will have a more cynical eye when certain people try to twist and bend the truth. and you will be more accurate in predicting where the ball will land.