This is nice, but I can't stop thinking of all the women and girls in Afghanistan, that were just recently stripped of ALL rights, including the right to speak when they want. Availability of arteries on men doesn't do anything for them.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Arguably, current-day Afghanistan is what happens when you (i.e. Afghan women as a whole) don't fight back early and decisively enough.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's sorta unfair to blame all of them for what happened today. Because first thing first, US invade them and for the next 20 years, took control of their country. They've been living in an ok time("ok" just not to generalise that nothing happened these years) because NATO forces is holding back the Taliban. And then Trump withdraw the force in such short time, basically gave Taliban the country, and Taliban swept across the country and gain control. I've read news of women's armed resistance force fighting back but as we all can see today, they've lost.

Second, for them to fight back, they have to fight back Islam as a whole. They've been indoctrinated for generations to act how the man who wrote the book want them to, to rebel against it they have to rebel against their whole society, alienation is very common result of that, and worst, punished. It's easy for privileged western people who isn't religious to say that, but to them, they have to move a mountain to achieve a small victory.

Those brave women is currently rebel against the taliban rule, your statement is just so flipping unfair to them.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's not about assigning blame, but about what would have to have been done.

And more importantly, American women CAN still fight back, so why are you talking about women in another country who can't really fight back anymore like it's a good counterargument?

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because you're blaming the woman there for what happened today. Also, are we talking about afghanistan woman or are we talking about US woman here? The current thread started with Afghanistan woman, stick with that.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But my point is that it doesn't make sense to use Afghan women as an argument against fighting back in the first place. It doesn't matter if it's their fault or not, American women need to fight back.

[–] Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 1 points 2 days ago

Is that so, my bad then.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago

Eventually it will present a problem. An example of this happened not long ago when Iranian woman Mahsa Amini was harassed to death by the Iranian morality police, and the people decided that was one Iranian woman too many. The humiliation campaign followed, leading to hangings which lead to revolutionaries firebombing official buildings. A lot of people shot each other. A curious development was when the fundamentalists were bombing women's schools with poisonous gas.

There eventually was an armistice and a negotiation, but the morality police still kills women by overpolicing, so it goes on.

Here in the states, we already have minorities and undesirables getting overpoliced to death by officers eager to use their guns or show them who is boss. When Trump opens the slips again, shit is going to get interesting. (As in that Chinese curse interesting. )

I also assure you in the meantime, Afghani men get a lot of food served with extra ingredients. Spite and resentment do not sit idly by.