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We, Israelis, are calling for global pressure on Israel to force an immediate ceasefire | Open letter
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this post was submitted on 28 Oct 2024
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If only more people in Israel believed this and spoke up the way these people do.
I think you really don't understand Israelis.
They have the exact same problem we have:
A slim majority are professional, want peace, and would probably accept the 48 borders.
But their politics are dominated by the insanely zealous religious right and settlers who want to exterminate everyone who isn't their brand of Judaism, and whose definition of "Greater Israel" goes far beyond the borders of Palestine, as commanded by their god.
Hamas's attack terrified and silenced the majority and left the psychos in charge.
Read the Old Testament, you can see the war between the priest class who believe God wants them to rule everyone, and everyone else who knows they go way too far.
Our Talibangelicals have so much in common with them.
I agree with you on most of what you said. That being said America's problem isn't that the "good" ones are a minority. It's that they are made a minority due to the mechanics and inner workings of the electoral college. If i were to tske this war as example, over 2/3rds of Americans want to enforce a ceasefire. Israel on the other hand, has an actual majority saying this war is good and the Palestinians need to die. My original comment was simply saying that I wish there were more people in Israel willing to speak up and fight back against this. But majority of the protestors are only protesting for the hostages to be back or to stabilize the economy. They don't care about the human rights violations their country does on a daily basis. And why should they? Their entire existence is predicated on it and they benefit from it greatly. These are some of the few protestors actually protesting the right things.
I agree.
The system is broken because the minority wanted it designed broken: https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/01-10-02-0065
They wanted a way to launder the votes of their slaves and this worked.
The real problem is that a sane majority will lose to a fanatic minority every single time. The only counterexample I can see is the American civil war, and it was close.
Us sane people simply have too much meaningful shit to worry about, which is why we didn't care about civil rights until the 60s.
Once the terror has died down in Israel there's a chance we can have a discussion, but I doubt it, the right will take credit, their narrative is that the weak opposition couldn't do what was necessary, therefore they must keep power for the good of Israel.
And nobody will fight them because they are fucking insane, last time they assassinated the PM, Bibi himself got power for inciting that.
You can't fight crazy, you get hurt and they get aroused.
I'm not saying there's no solution, I'm saying there's no simple or easy solution.
The majority of non Arab Israelis is both in favor of the settler annexations and the slaughter in Gaza.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/plurality-of-jewish-israelis-want-to-expel-arabs-study-shows/
My data was old, it used to be fairly balanced, it's been shifting towards, well, the crazies over the last 2 decades.
The secular moderates are basically being silenced.
Guess America has that to look forward to...
Talibangelicalots?
Talibangelical cats. Like Rumtumtugger, Mr. Mistoffelees, and the Nefarious Netanyahu.
Unless they’re laying down in front of military vehicles and physically defending against settler violence their words don’t mean much.
There is some who do. Many of them probably signed this lettet. They get violently beaten up. Of course when IDF soldiers beat up visibly practicing Jews thia does not spark outrage over antisemitism in the West. Because Jews being beaten up for their religious convictions is only antisemitism if the attackers are brown.