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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Israel has made it clear that it wants to exterminate Palestinians, and is literally in the process of doing so right now.

Palestinians are not genocidal. They don't want to exterminate Israelis. They just want to be able to go home and stop being killed and starved and tortured.

Israelis can assimilate into Palestine and stop trying to make a Jewish ethnostate. Palestine can be one multi-ethnic, multi-racial, multi-religious democracy.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

Palestinians are not genocidal. They don’t want to exterminate Israelis.

Even if some or most do wish to exterminate, this is arguably understandable. How many bombs would have to fall on you and your family before you were extremely angry? Maybe even, we could say, rationally angry?

[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Palestinians have entire documents and conferences on what to do with non-useful Jews. As for the useful ones, they will not be allowed to flee Palestine. Doctors and such will be prevented from emigrating.

There are no angels in this conflict. Both sides have desires for a genocide.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Certainly there are factions within Palestine that are genocidal. They're not in charge of anything, though, and don't represent the mainstream.

Meanwhile, the Israeli genicidiers control the government and are a mainstream cultural force.

They are not the same.

[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The conference was hosted by Hamas.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hamas isn't lead by the people it was lead by even a decade ago. Their more recent 2017 charter is pretty explicitly not genocidal, they are anti-Israeli and explicitly not anti-Jewish.

[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Said conference was held in 2021. But I guess maybe a couple of years is enough time to reform a genocidal group.

Maybe Hamas leadership changed their tune towards murdering regular Jewish people sometime after that?

Certainly an analysis of their actions since that time will show their more peaceable trajectory…

That only the Israeli govt is capable of carrying out their genocide tendencies doesn’t mean Hamas doesn’t have genocidal tendencies.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 weeks ago

I never claimed they're peaceful. They want to kill settlers and IDF goons and they want to destroy the Israeli occupation. Hardly peaceful.

But that's not genocide. That's just people's war.