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Why are so many Pro-Palestine (I am pro-Palestine and anti-genocide) Americans refusing to vote for Harris due to her stance on Israel? (discuss.tchncs.de)

submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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As the title states I am confused on this matter. The way I see it, the USA has a two party system and in the next few weeks they’re either going to have Trump or Harris as president, come inauguration day. With this in mind doesn’t it make sense to vote for the person least likely to escalate the situation even more.

Giving your vote to an independent or worse not voting at all, just gives more of a chance for Trump to win the election and then who knows what crazy stuff he will allow, or encourage, Israel to get away with.

I really don’t get the logic. As sure nobody wants to vote for a party allowing these heinous crimes to be committed, but given you’re getting one of them shouldn’t you be voting for the one that will be the least horrible of the two.

Please don’t come at me with pro-Israeli rhetoric as this isn’t the post for that, I’m asking about why people would make such choices and I’m not up for debate on the Middle East, on this post, you can DM me for that.

Edit: Bedtime here now so will respond to incoming comments in the morning, love starting the day with an inbox full 😊.

Edit 2: This blew up, it’s a little overwhelming right now but I do intent on replying to everybody that took the time to comment. Just need to get in the right headspace.

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[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

We are literally in a battle for our ability to vote.

If you (allegedly) feel compelled to vote for genocide there is little value in your vote in the first place.

Abstaining from said battle is effectively saying "I don't care" and letting Trump do what he will.

You are not in a battle. You are a human looking at a phone or computer screen trying to normalize voting for genociders and after doing so you will stay home. If you believed your own words you'd be posting signup sheets for shifts in Voter Protection Brigades, ready to take the fight to those attempting to disenfranchise you.

Instead, you are sitting around trying to rationalize support for genocide.

If he chooses to send nukes to Palestine to end the conflict immediately, that's on everyone that abstained.

The policy is already genocide, you don't have a bigger gun to try pointing at people's heads. If you cared about Palestinian life you would already understand this. Unfortunately you care more about your naive political sensibilities.

If he ends aid to Ukraine and those people die, that's on everyone that abstained.

The Dems are certainly worse for Ukraine, they are using them as cannon fodder to hurt Russia.

If he ends voting, you "won some moral battle" but you've all but permanently lost the war against genocide as the most powerful military and weapons on the planet are now in the hands of an authoritarian

Both parties' presidents are inherently authoritarian.

raciest

Both parties are exceptionally racist, one is just polite and euphemistic about it, normalizing their version of racism so that you accept it without a second thought.

In other news, have you seen Kamala's stellar polic for getting black guys to buy crypto?

fascist

To the extent Trumpnis fascist, we have already been there for decades and decades buddy.

Did you notice the recent EO for domestic military deployments? Betcha didn't. Y'all igmore fashy policies when your side does them. Incidentally, if your party is the bullwark against fascism, why is it giving the president so much power to invoke martial law? Hmmmmmmmmm.

regime

That is the correct term for all American governments, yes.

that previously imposed a "Muslim ban" and I'm sure would happily do so again.

Both parties have racist immigration policies, Dems just do it without much pushback. You see their "immigration reform" paxkage they tried to push through Congress?

There is no hypocrisy here, and it's disingenuous to imply there is.

I don't think it is hypocrisy per se. I think most Americans are just racist and too embarrassed to admit it.

If you want to protest genocide, then GO DO IT, don't throw away a vote because that's not a protest, it's a pathetic excuse.

I don't want to protest against genocide, I want to build power against it. And so far it is going relatively okay, though certainly not with any help from people like yourself. You are our explicit opponents that work against us.