Nah, having that many far right "freeze peach" people will be an extremely bad look for us and likely ruin the ecosystem for any moderates or leftists.

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Who says this will be a "bad look", some leftist muricans? The world doesnt revolve around them, and if they dont like it, they can block any instance that they dislike. Thats the whole point of federation. The fediverse doesnt belong to any specific group, it legally belongs to everyone (AGPL).

[–] Cloak@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Meet: the media

alt right twitter clone "mastodon" licensed to trump. One of mastodon's key features is the ability to spread out over a range of servers in a similar fashion to limewire, helping to avoid takedown

[–] nutomic@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

For now the media is completely ignoring the fediverse. If they start talking about it, then people will get curious and at least some will investigate for themselves. Dont forget that trust in media is at an all-time low.

[–] bilb@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I agree with this, and I think hand-wringing about shitty people using software and the possible ensuing moral panic in media is pointless. You can make it a bit more situationally inconvenient like you do with the hard-coded slur filter, but ultimately It's not something you can prevent when you're creating free communication tools.

Provide a free tool to enable decentralized communication.
Prevent adoption of your tool by people whose ideologies you consider dangerous.

As a software engineer, those two goals are fundamentally at odds- you cannot accomplish one without compromising the other. Therefore I think the onus is on a community of admins and users to moderate, make careful federation choices, and to promote Lemmy and the fediverse to their own circles. You can't short circuit the hard work of community growth and management with software design alone.

[–] kinetix@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, a couple of million disinformation zombies would be fantastic.

[–] johs@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

s So what? The fediverse needs users or else nobody is gonna use the damn product I believe Gab / Minds and many other small social network should move over to fediverse. Conseravtive instance, Liberal instance thats the way to go.

[–] kinetix@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Does this really need explaining? You think a million disinformation zombies would be a good thing?

I guess you weren't aware that Gab is a fork of Mastodon and was originally part of the fediverse until they were essentially locked out due to their crap?

You must be American, if you believe that conservatism vs liberalism is the same thing as hateful racist trolling dickhead vs. people who don't want that in their lives.

The rest of the world (mostly) doesn't live by this constant "red vs. blue" anger fest.

[–] johs@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yes i know that gab was a fork of mastadon that turn off federation
i am european norway
if you dosent want "hateful racist trolling dickhead" you can just block the instance.
Yes i thing "You think a million disinformation zombies would be a good thing?" more users = more support for fediverse more apps etc. i dosent see it as a negative thing if the fediverse dosnt get any users(this is a great time for that, if TRUTH social adds fediration in it server) than i think the activatpub is just gonna be for some geeks.

[–] kinetix@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

2 - Thanks for the clarification, I stand corrected!

One doesn't need millions of users to have a healthy community, and if communities are built around being divisive hate machines, there's no need to welcome them, they can stand alone as their own ignorant islands. You can't force integration between sane society and the intolerant. The hateful intolerant have to be moderated and told to go piss up a tree.

Gab only turned off federation after it was clear they weren't welcome anywhere.

I don't disagree that growth of the fediverse would be a good thing, but not in an unmoderated fashion. The example growth you give is a great example of the wrong way to get growth - nobody's trying to re-create Twitter. The style? Sure. The content? Nope.