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Walz Warns Against Normalizing Trump's Threat Of Using Military Against U.S. Citizens
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Not to diminish the seriousness of Trump's rhetoric, but threatening to use the military against citizens is one of the few issues that is actually a 'both sides' problem.
I don't usually agree with my Trump culty neighbor's FJB flag, but it's not unlike a broken clock.
Nobody is threatening to use F-15s. It's a rhetorical device meant to show how stupid stockpiling rifles "in case of tyranny" is in the modern age.
Trump is actively saying he wants to use the military against the people.
The difference is so wide there a "yo momma" joke could fit between them.
No, Biden didn't threaten to use F-15s, he just said that if you want to resist his hit squads you'll have to do better than Bryan Malinowski.
Biden has "hit squads"?
What fucking reality do you live in?
The one where a federal agency got a search warrant for a man's house (not an arrest warrant for him) and called off the raid when they found out he wouldn't be home, so they could try again when he was there to create a situation where they could justify murdering him. Look it up, it's fucking wild.
Yup. I did. No mention of a second raid. But he did illegally sell guns that were recovered from crime scenes. Sounds like if they did that they wanted to arrest him at the same time so he couldn't run.
At any rate there's still zero evidence any Democrat is going after Americans with the military.
Zero evidence? The DOD just released a memo last month saying they can provide potentially lethal assistance to law enforcement. They might not have used the military to go after anyone yet, but they're laying the groundwork.
DOD DIRECTIVE 5240.01
(2) The decision to approve requests for these types of permissible assistance described in Paragraph 3.2. to law enforcement agencies and other civil authorities are reserved to the Secretary of Defense:
(c) Assistance in responding with assets with potential for lethality, or any situation in which it is reasonably foreseeable that providing the requested assistance may involve the use of force that is likely to result in lethal force, including death or serious bodily injury. It also includes all support to civilian law enforcement officials in situations where a confrontation between civilian law enforcement and civilian individuals or groups is reasonably anticipated. Such use of force must be in accordance with DoDD 5210.56, potentially as further restricted based on the specifics of the requested support.
Did you think that was going to be some hard to find document? This is "Omagherd the Army did a fun run outside base, it's martial law!111!" levels of stupid.
That memo is for intelligence agencies under the DOD like DIA who interact with the FBI and local law enforcement all the time. They've been doing this for decades. This is not the Army. And the assistance being talked about here is not the Infantry showing up. It's literally just telling the local police if someone they pinged is on a watch list or is involved in international shenanigans.
Let's look at paragraph 3.2 and see what's covered.
That's self defense. It's literally authorizing them to work with local and federal police to protect federal property and employees. That's it.
Counter intelligence. A core capability of every intelligence agency we have. The only one barred from operating on US soil is the CIA. But even then I've highlighted where this isn't a blank check. You still need to follow the laws.
Ah yes, the terrorism clause. Requiring legal's sign off to work with the locals even in the event of a terrorism. (I know what I said) This is as useless as the time I'm taking to write this because finding an incident that would require the attention of an agency like the DIA without there being federal jurisdiction is incredibly hard. They'd already have the FBI on the ground, who they can work with freely.
Rendering lawful assistance. Yup that sounds like extrajudicial killings to me. Lol, no. Just no. This just means that I'm the case of something like a barricade stand off they can go ahead and share things like profiles of the person with the police.
Oh no, not dissemination of information! The horror!
Oh no, not more information!! Whatever will we do with these rogue intelligence agencies?
Please stop listening to InfoWars or whoever is selling you on these takes. They're lying to you.
Either your source is biased or you have some reading comprehension issues. He didn't illegally sell guns and only fell afoul of ATF rules after they changed the rules without any input from Congress. There was only one raid because they postponed it when they found out he wouldn't be there. He didn't need to be there for them to execute their warrant, but he did need to be there for an extrajudicial execution.
The New York Times. And I already gave you a perfectly reasonable, and common reason to conduct a search with someone home.
You mean The "Iraq definitely has WMDs" New York Times? Yeah, I think I see why you got a skewed version of the story.
Can it already, garbanzo bean.