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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21396125

Stephen Starr in Hamtramck, Michigan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 11.00 EDT

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So you think trump giving aid to Russia against US law would be ok if it gets him votes?

This is the exact reason turnout is low.

Lots of voters won't hold their nose to blatant crimes even if the only other option does more crimes...

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I didn't say I approved of it, I just said that's the political calculus.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But you understand how Biden breaking US and international law makes people who are disengaged think both parties are the same?

Like, we can tell at them and scold them that it's better when Dems do it...

Or Kamala can come out and say she'll follow the law. Considering she has said multiple times she has no issues with how Biden has done things and wouldn't have done anything different...

That only hurts Dems and makes trump (way worse shit) look acceptable.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that’s nice. You’re still appealing to something moral though, and what I’m trying to tell you is that that’s mostly irrelevant to politicians. They know they need to appeal to the masses to stay in power if they want to do anything, so appeal to the masses they will. And the masses don’t really care about international law.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

and what I’m trying to tell you is that that’s mostly irrelevant to politicians.

And what I'm trying to tell you, is even when a politician has the correct letter by their name, they're not infallible...

The people running Kamala's campaign and the DNC are the same ones running stuff in 2016 and 2020.

They have a 1-1 record against trump, and it only worked last time because Bernie drug them to the left.

You need to focus on what voters do, not politicians. And if significant voters didn't care about Morales, the article you're commenting under wouldn't exist

They know they need to appeal to the masses to stay in power if they want to do anything, so appeal to the masses they will.

They only "appeal to voters" when it involves moving to the right.

People want things to the left of Kamala too, and they'd actually vote for Kamala, so it makes sense "chasing" the left, not for Kamala to chase trumpets.