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Gazans say Hamas forcing civilians to stay in combat zone, preventing evacuations
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this post was submitted on 14 Oct 2024
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If only the IDF was known for their integrity and respectability. Their reports and information would not need to be corroborated.
I treat their statements the same as I've seen this community treat statements from Iran. No problem right?
With little to no corroboration or regard for the authenticity of the source as long as it supports your personal bias and preconceived conclusions?
If you say so. Mbfc doesn't seem to have a problem with the source.
I'm starting to understand what you meant by personal bias and preconceived conclusions...
I've said nothing close to what you're claiming.
You would argue that you're supporting "both sides" of the conflict when one side has a documented history of misinformation and redirection to openly commit war crimes?
I'm confused, could you find a quote by me that is relevant to your statement? Very unclear where this accusation is coming from.
You post a lot here. You clearly know what's happening in Northern Gaza. You know the Israelis have closed off the whole area and have started massacring everyone they see. You may have even seen some of the videos circulating online of entire families being burned alive in the attacks, children too. You know Israel has a proven track record of intentionally targeting civilians and other protected groups under UN law like journalists. You also know that the IDF has been known to lie and fabricate evidence in a very pathetic attempt to justify their ongoing war crimes. So, with you knowing all this, you're really trying to post something like this and say it's all in good faith?
I see that you cannot quote me, thank you for verifying this.
You don't need to state something outright for it to be apparent. Your actions speak for themselves.
Thank you for verifying again that I never said these things, and that your accusations are unfounded.
Both of you, please give it a rest.
I explained myself. You're just being intentionally obtuse in an effort to distance yourself from the propaganda and misinformation you're intentionally spreading.
Both of you, please give it a rest.
Please provide evidence that this community accepts information released by the Iranian military as automatically valid and not needing corroboration.
I said that?
Edit: I'm getting tired of people accusing me of saying things I didn't. Noticing a pattern...
If not, what does this mean?
How does this community treat statements from Iran?
With no problem, right? I mean, ymmv depending on the user...
That sounds exactly like what I just said- that they are automatically valid and not needing corroboration.
However you phrase it, please provide evidence.
Doesn't sound like exactly what you said, but I'll play along in whatever way you're interpreting this. Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran's statements and those made against Israel are typically taken at face value, and those who take issue are largely downvoted. Comments made by Israel or against Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran are met with nearly polar opposite reactions. Related, there seems to be a tendency to downplay criticism of Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran with unsourced opinions and whataboutisms (particularly users attempting to frame others as supporters of genocide). Users downplay or are even willing to lie about what was said in order to garner sympathy for Iran and criticize Israel or the IDF (even when the reporting is corroborated by other reliable sources). Even comments attempting to claim both parties involved are bad are downvoted (for example, most discussions regarding human shields). Articles critical of Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran are outright called propaganda. A short list to demonstrate my points:
https://lemmy.world/post/19299022 https://lemmy.world/post/19313271 https://lemmy.world/post/19579887 https://lemmy.world/post/20433553 https://lemmy.world/post/19538958 https://lemmy.world/post/19045416 https://lemmy.world/post/20395037 https://lemmy.world/post/20436042 https://lemmy.world/post/20402034 https://lemmy.world/post/20424484 https://lemmy.world/post/14259280 https://lemmy.world/post/20264445 https://lemmy.world/post/20794663 https://lemmy.world/post/20777227 https://lemmy.world/post/20751891 https://lemmy.world/post/20641184 https://lemmy.world/post/19917528 https://lemmy.world/post/19873607 https://lemmy.world/post/19110824 https://lemmy.world/post/18816697 https://lemmy.world/post/18738671 https://lemmy.world/post/18725793 https://lemmy.world/post/17620671
There's more but I have actual work to do.
So take "no problem" however you want, my points stand in a variety of interpretations. Going through my comment history also illuminates much of what I have a problem with here, that being critical of Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran is met with accusations of supporting genocide (if it weren't for the fact that this is considered uncivil and the comments get removed, I could source those, but check the mod logs if you don't believe me). I also take issue with the Middle East Monitor, New Arab, and Al Jazeera being paraded around as though they're legitimate news sources, while highly reliable Israeli publications are questioned, which objectively supports my points too.
Edit: I'll also cite this post too in the list :) who wants to bet there's some small detail that would disqualify these posts as they pertain to my assessment? Despite all these things being quotable throughout the list?
Your first two links had nothing to do with Iran. I stopped there since you clearly aren't being honest.
Only if you don't consider Hamas as a proxy of Iran. I'm objectively being honest.
Except you're not, because this is what you said:
Then you linked to things that were not FROM IRAN at all. The first one was a fucking Guardian article. Are you really going to claim that the Guardian works with Iran?
The first is a middle east monitor article. And Hamas/Hezbollah=Iran. Also, entirely missing the point, my points are very clearly illustrated here.
Okay, now you're just lying.
Unless you also believe that the Mujehadin = The U.S.
Were the Mujehadin the U.S.?
Hmm, I feel that divorcing Iran's proxies from Iran is more disingenuous (and I'm not lying about their relation). It's also not refuting the content of the posts, which again, clearly illustrate my point. Sorry, and thanks for the discussion!
You claimed I defended Hamas.
I guess you lied.
Please quote where I said you defended Hamas. (Hint: I didn't)
That's another user...
Edit: and who said I was specifying the Iranian military?