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Why do some people defend the billionaires and capitalism? (lemmy.world)
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[–] hostops@sh.itjust.works -4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I would not live there. I value freedom and privacy. (In a healthy European way)

[–] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

What "healthy European" freedom looks like:

What "healthy European" privacy looks like:

[–] hostops@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

"I have an uncle who smoked whole life and is 98 years old" I am sure you know what you have been doing when you presented your "evidence". Not cool.

[–] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I've re-read this several times and I still don't have the slightest clue to what you're referring to, lib. It's clear-as-day that you're just another "They hate us for our freedom" folks and don't actually care about freedom or privacy for all.

[–] hostops@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 minutes ago

(I am contemplating whether your are just trolling me and I should stop participating in this debate. But lets assume you really did not understood my point.)

  1. You typed in google something like "EU failing privacy/democracy/freedom" and posted top results. And all those cases are real, but are cherry picked. Therefore I responded with a classical argument about why smoking is "not bad for your health". https://www.logicalfallacies.org/anecdotal.html
  2. Your results did not include any actual indexes or aggregation of the data.

Please check this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices especially "list of scores by country" where you also have some historic entries.

To help you with some conclusions:

  1. EU countries are by far most free and private. Yes of course with their own issues but still way better than any other country.
  2. China is awful regarding this topic.

So why I had a problem with your response: I strongly believe you already knew the above two facts. You just decided to ignore them and presented me with some problems eu has so you can win the argument. So... I do not like you tried to "win argument" with a logical fallacy which is counterproductive for the debate. And when we just throw random arguments so opposing point of view comes out as bad, everyone comes out a little more radical in their view and noone changes their opinion. And I spent some time writing those comments (not with research but by forming thoughts and sentences in my second language). By turning the debate to this "Facebook like arguing" you destroyed my effort to participate in this community.

Also in response to your latest accusation: I specifically told you I have a healthy relationship with freedom, and "they hate us for our freedom" does not belong in this category.