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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

But a fruit tree in a public space is like an open field or playground equipment in a public space. They are there for everyone, and people who complain that the 'wrong people' are using those public rrsources for personal use are selfish idiots.

Like if a company came in and took all the fruit, sure, that would be wrong. But someone taking apples to make a pie? That's what it is there for.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What if I hire a dozen people to randomly, individually go and pick all the fruit and bring it to me, and then I make a profit reselling what they collect?

[–] dessimbelackis@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] woop_woop@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Lotta them exist. Always have and always will. This is how you begin the "have and have not" groups.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 2 points 1 month ago

Well duh. Kind of missing the point though.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago

this is literally a legitimate business in the nordic forests thanks to the right to roam, people will hire (generally thai people) to go out into the forests and harvest berries and mushrooms on an industrial scale (by hand though) and then sell it to grocery stores or directly to people on the street..

and surprise surprise, i have never seen anyone complain about this. Rather people gladly pay their pretty cheap prices rather than going out and picking it themselves, and there's more than enough available out in the forest that everyone can find some for theirselves if they want.

hell the law specifically gives you a tax break for selling fruits and berries you've personally picked, you can earn something like 25'000 SEK per year that way without needing to pay any tax on it.

This isn't a fucking problem.

[–] woop_woop@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

What if one person comes in and takes it all? Don't even need companies, just individuals.

That's the tragedy of the commons.

[–] Rampsquatch@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So we shouldn't have nice things because someone might act in bad faith?

[–] woop_woop@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's the thing though: someone will. That's what regulations, ownership (collective or individual), and laws are for. That's why it's not a simple thing.

[–] Rampsquatch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

So instead of accounting for it, just don't try?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What if the tree only produces 3 fruit, is it wrong for three siblings to pick and eat them?

[–] woop_woop@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Idk, you tell me. I'm suggesting that scarce resources not owned by anyone will get used by those who take it. This is a fact. What then? Is it bad? Is it ok? Pretending it's not a thing is to deny reality and all of human/life history

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Do you get this worked up over kids who spend too long on the swings?