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Telegram is exposing their users privacy. (lemmynsfw.com)
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[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The country in which the perpetrator lives or the crime was committed. First time using the internet?

In your opinion, all companies must disclose the personal information of customers whenever a Government says "This person broke the law"?

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl -5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

In your opinion

None of this is my opinion, it's just how the world works LOL

all companies must disclose the personal information of customers whenever a Government says "This person broke the law"?

Not necessarily, but kinda. The gov typically need some sort of warrant, and they need approval from the country they're requesting it from. (I don't know all the legal terms here). The provider can contest it. Look at the disclosures of your favorite international tech company, most of them make this information public (except when the gov specifically tells them they can't until they change their mind later).

Here's one from Proton

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

None of this is my opinion, it’s just how the world works LOL

Can you elaborate?

Not necessarily, but kinda. The gov typically need some sort of warrant and they need approval from the country they’re requesting it from.

Which Government?

Pardon my ignorance as this is my first time using the internet, but I am pretty sure that every Government on the planet does not use a universal set of laws or procedures for enforcement.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl -4 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Can you elaborate?

I just did.

Which Government?

I already answered this one as well.

I am pretty sure that every Government on the planet does not use a universal set of laws or procedures for enforcement.

No but they all certainly have some sort of system for requesting access to information.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

So in your world, journalists and activists trying to bring attention to human rights violations their country's fascist government is committing in an attempt to bring in good change should be just fucked over right?

Because those governments label those people as "criminals" when they're objectively not.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I'll refer you to my previous comment:

None of this is my opinion, it’s just how the world works

Notice at no time did I use the words "should" or "should not". We're just discussing facts here.

[–] Arkouda@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Can you elaborate?

I just did.

None of this is my opinion, it’s just how the world works LOL

This may be of some use to you.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/elaborate

Which Government?

I already answered this one as well.

The gov typically need some sort of warrant, and they need approval from the country they’re requesting it from.

United States of America? Canada? North Korea? China? Australia? Saudi Arabia? South Africa? Brazil?

The point is the app was designed for secure communication, specifically from corrupt governments, which is why it is problematic to allow access to user data as long as the individual is breaking a law in that country.

Or to use the example from the top:

So who gets to pick what’s a lawful request and criminal activity? It’s criminal in some states to seek an abortion or help with an abortion, so would they hand out the IPs of those “criminals”? Because depending on who you ask some will tell you they’re basically murderers. And that’s just one example.

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

This may be of some use to you.

Can you elaborate on what you're asking me to elaborate on, because I honestly don't know beyond what I've already told you.

United States of America? Canada? North Korea? China? Australia? Saudi Arabia? South Africa? Brazil?

Yes. Any of these could potentially be "the country they're requesting it from".

The point is the app was designed for secure communication, specifically from corrupt governments

If you think that's true, you are sorely mistaken. It may be how it is advertised, but it is not how it was designed. If it were designed that way, as many many different chat apps are, they would have no information to give up to a subpoena. AKA the "zero knowledge" encryption that was mentioned previously.

it is problematic to allow access to user data as long as the individual is breaking a law in that country.

I agree. For the third time, this is not my opinion, this is just how the world works.

Or to use my answer from the top:

The...law?