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Yeah… the simple fact that you just essentially accused her of not being against genocide illustrates how there not enough maturity on your end to carry this discussion.
There’s nuance to the topic, and if you’re throwing out accusations without bothering to understand what it is by now, it’s a futile effort to set you correct on the matter.
She and Biden are certainly not above sending weapons unconditionally to a country currently committing a genocide
And yes, Trump would be even worse
You need to learn how trade agreements work.
How about the Leahy Law and International Humanitarian Law
Amnesty
How about you learn how trade agreements work, the legalities of said trade agreements, the relationship between America and Israel, and the war between Palestine and Israel that dates back before you ever gave a shit about either, or could point to either on a map- because its longer than the year you’ve been aware of it. I guarantee it.
Then look into the penalties for cancelling said agreements.
Then, delete your responses in embarrassment. This discussion ends here.
I've read far more on it than you. Maybe stop defending Genocide
Origins of Zionism
Zionism is a settler colonialism project that was able to really start with the support of British Imperialism. Zionism as a political movement started with Theodore Herzl in the 1880s as a 'modern' way to 'solve' the 'Jewish Question' of Europe.
Adi Callai, an Israeli, does a great analysis of how Antisemitism has been weaponized by Zionism during its history.
Since at least the 1860's, Europe was increasingly antisemitic and hostile to Jewish people. Zionism was explicitly a Setter Colonialist movement and the native Palestinians were not considered People but Savages by the Europeans. While Zionist Colonization began before it, the Balfor Declaration is when Britain gave it's backing of the movement in order to 'solve' the 'Jewish Question' while also creating a Colony in the newly conquered Middle East after WWI in order to exhibit military force in the region and extract natural resources.
That's when Zionist immigration started to pick up, out of necessity for most as Europe became more hostile and antisemitic. That continued into and during WWII, European countries and even the US refused to expand immigration quotas for Jewish people seeking asylum. The idea that the creation of Israel is a reparation for Jewish people is an after-the-fact justification. While most Jewish immigrants had no choice and just wanted a place to live in peace, it was the Zionist Leadership that developed and implemented the forced transfer, ethnic cleansing, of the native population, Palestinians. Without any Occupation, Apartheid, and ethnic cleansing, there would not be any Palestinian resistance to it.
Herzl himself explicitly considered Zionism a Settler Colonialist project, Setter Colonialism is always violent. The difficulty in creating a democratic Jewish state in an area inhabited by people who are not Jewish, is that enough Palestinian people need to be 'Transferred' to have a demographic majority that is Jewish. Ben-Gurion explicitly rejected Secular Bi-national state solutions in favor of partition.
Quote
Page 8, The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948
10 myths of Israel by Ilan Pappe, summerized and full book
Transfer Committee and the JNF led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate.
Ethnic Cleansing
https://lemmy.world/comment/12603755
Good Books on the History
Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The Hundred Years' War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
10 Myths of Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
Oh you guys are well known for your wall-of-text, pseudo-intellectual copypasta. I’m not reading a word of that nonsense. And no, this doesn’t mean you won- it just means you’re not wasting my time with your bullshit.
And again, the simple fact that you stoop to accusations of gEnOciDe sUpPorT to help bail you out of a disagreement means you have no clue what you’re taking about.
Seriously, if the admins made a rule to ban people for false accusations, the entire leftist population of lemmy would disappear.
Thanks for playing, but you’re dismissed.
Maybe if you actually engaged with the sources you'd think differently, instead of writing them off because they might make you feel uncomfortable
Amnesty Report
Human Rights Watch Report
B'TSelem Report with quick Explainer
“A Textbook Case of Genocide”: Israeli Holocaust Scholar Raz Segal Decries Israel’s Assault on Gaza
800+ Legal Scholars Say Israel May Be Perpetrating 'Crime of Genocide' in Gaza
Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated
AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox, CBC
I thought I explained to you already, that the moment you knowingly falsely accused people including myself- of supporting genocide, that you lost every bit of respect or attention I would have for anything you have to say.
You’ve got nothing bud. Learn from this and stop with the bullshit accusations. If the mods banned for accusations of genocide, the entire population of leftist would disappear from lemmy.
Keep posting your YouTube videos and propaganda. I’m not looking at, reading, or watching any of it.
I never said you support genocide. You are defending the US sending weapons to one, while denying that it is one.
I'm firmly anti-genocide. I'm against any group of people committing genocide against any other group of people.
If you consider human rights organizations, genocide scholars, multiple Israeli Historians, and multiple western and Israeli News sources propaganda, sure.
Again, you hide behind your false accusations to keep others on the defensive. I know exactly how your type works.
Your bullshit accusations fall flat when pressed up against reality. And if I tried to call you out on it and validate any of it- there’ll be a wall of pseudo-intellectual bullshit text and more YouTube links- all the while completely dodging the fact that you have no evidence to support that ANYONE actually supports genocide.
And I stand firm on my own accusation that you probably hand no idea where Palestine was a year and a half ago.
So spare me the bullshit. I’m not buying it.
Do better and stop accusing people of shit they’re not doing.
Ok, I'm sorry I falsely accused you.
Which source do you think is bullshit? I don't understand
Nope. That’s not how this works. Learn from this and stop doing it to others. It’s bad-faith and to some, incredibly insulting.
Move forward and do better. You might find some good discussions ahead.
Take care.
Lol, ok. You just called everything bullshit for no reason. I think you're right, take care
Soup is definitely a troll, they're phrasing everything like an exaggerated version of a smug debatelord
So you had a chance to walk away from this on a good note. But you instead chose to prove your little apology was complete bullshit.
I was right to not bother with your pseudo intellect bullshit. You’re out of gas bud.
Thanks for playing, but you lose.