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[–] bunitor@lemmy.eco.br 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

at least this guy recognizes systemd isn't (just) an init system

"it attempts to do more" yeah. that's the point. that's a good thing. a single source of truth for system background services. background systems used to be a fucking mess and then systemd fixed it. this is why it is the de facto pid 1

i wish people just quit whining

[–] menixator@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I think if systemd were documented in a more consumable format (the man pages need better organization IMO) more people would see how powerful it is. Mounting directories with BindPath, and BindPathRO, Limiting systemcalls, socket activation and cgroup integration, and nspawn containers are features I can't live without.

I feel like a lot of people that get attached to the "It tries to do everything and it's against the unix philosophy" argument might change their minds when they see the tradeoffs. It has its problems for sure, but you get a lot out of it.

These days I don't even use docker containers for running services. I just put it in a systemd service and lock it down as tightly as I can.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip -3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It is pretty well documented. Just look it up online and you will find plenty of articles

[–] menixator@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago

You'll find blog spam and ai slop if you look it up online. Systemd's website/man pages should be the resource that brings me up to speed.

I had to read about run0 and other upcoming systemd features from Lennart's Mastodon which I'm not a fan of either. These kinds of things should be on the systemd website itself.

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

that's a great example of bad docs.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How so? What are you trying to do?

[–] Cube6392@beehaw.org 2 points 2 days ago

read up to date current docs and know they are for the current working state of the system, potentially when i don't have a net connection because i'm troubleshooting PID 0/1

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago

I'm pretty sure the Arch Wiki has a substantial documentation regarding systemd

[–] mr_strange@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's powerfulness IS the problem. Some parts of systemd are great. Some are meh! Some really suck. But because it's monolithic, you can't take the good bits and replace the bad. You have to take it all or nothing.

That's the problem. Its architecture is offensively bad.

[–] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

That's just completely wrong. Just try e.g. replacing the journald backend with the old text based syslog, and not only will you discover that is possible (which directly contradicts what you just said), it's also easy!

[–] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What can systemd do that cannot be done with OpenRC?

[–] bunitor@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 1 day ago

i don't know much about openrc, but doesn't it use sysvinit? one of the major advantages of systemd is ditching sysvinit