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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My thought exactly. The Democratic Party is more fragmented than they want to admit. She was on the progressive side (I thought). Or maybe there actually is no progressive side.

Had high hopes that she wouldn't fall in line.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

People like AOC are why I'm generally convinced my vote really doesn't matter. We elected a Democratic president with a congressional majority last time, and in return most of the country is working multiple jobs to survive AND you no longer have the right to abortion.

When we get conservative outcomes regardless, what does my Democratic vote really matter for?

[–] zhunk@beehaw.org 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What? It could absolutely be worse. Look at the policies in Florida/Texas/Idaho against education, trans people, voting rights, labor rights, etc. I'm glad we at least got who we got. We could have done way worse.

[–] Pseu@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago

This. As much I would like someone to really change things for the better, I could absolutely see laws like the ones passed in Florida and Texas being passed nationally if elections go poorly.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd say you're both right. But we have to be careful not to let the fear of something worse take over the potential progress (which often happens). Ultimately, the lack of progress is still a problem, even in the face of not being as bad as it could be.

[–] HQC@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When the "something worse" is literal fascism, there are no other choices. Stopping fascism is more important than any progressive agenda item because those agenda items will never happen with fascists in power.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

They'll also never happen without progressives in power. Keeping the status quo based solely on the fear of the other guy taking over sounds like the last 50 years (at least) of US politics.

[–] maporita@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago

Your Democratic vote is the only thing preventing this country becoming a theocracy. We had one term of Trump and look at the damage he caused. Imagine what a second term would look like.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What, exactly, do you think Biden could have personally one to prevent the Supreme Court from doing what they were stacked by Trump to specifically do?

The president can't overrule the Supreme Court. He can't appoint any new judges until there is a vacancy.

And the economic crisis isn't a uniquely American problem. It's also impacting Europe, Canada, and most other western nations. What can the president of the US do to directly and quickly "fix" something of that scale? Something that had been several decades in the making?

[–] ArtZuron@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

Well... he could... if the GOP had the decency to impeach corrupt SCOTUS. But, if the GOP were decent enough to do that, then there wouldn't probably have been corrupt judges that needed impeaching in the first place.

[–] ondoyant@beehaw.org 19 points 1 year ago

fuck man. you gotta be in a pretty good spot not being able to tell the difference. there are people who live and die on the outcomes of these politics. if you really think it isn't enough, get involved in a political project, join a mutual aid program, whatever you think is important, but genuinely even if it barely matters at all (and to be clear, it actually does matter a whole fucking lot, or republicans wouldn't be pouring billions of oil dollars into mobilizing their base) its literally just a single day at most of effort. if you can't do that, you genuinely don't have any right to complain about conservative outcomes.

[–] StrayCatFrump@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or maybe there actually is no progressive side.

Hint: it's this one.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

I tend to agree but really wish I didn't.