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[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

All VPNs do is change who has your browsing data: your ISP or the VPN operator. You may or may not trust either of them not to keep records, in either case you have no way of verifying this.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 12 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

ISPs definitely keep records. At least some VPNs claim that they don't, and that their networks are set up in such a way that they can't. Some organizations claim to validate the claims of the VPNs, but it's unclear if they're trustworthy.

So your choice is to use something that definitely keeps logs, or to use a company that at least says that they don't/can't.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The VPN company themselves may not keep logs. However, they might be a little black box somewhere in the data center...

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 3 points 12 hours ago

As Proton made evident, VPNs can be legally compelled to start keeping logs on specific accounts as the result of a court order. So if you're gonna do something incriminating, then I guess you should create a new account each time.

[–] communism@lemmy.ml 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, and there's also the fact that some VPNs such as Mullvad let you be anonymous so even if Mullvad were keeping logs, if you pay privately they have no way of knowing whose logs they are (unless the content itself of your internet history reveals your identity). Meanwhile your ISP definitely knows who you are, and absolutely will collaborate with the police if asked to.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You can pay anonymously, but if you regularly connect from your home IP address, it hardly matters.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I think the point here is to deny ISP data to sell.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago

Yeah I use mullvad for mostly that reason myself.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 15 hours ago

I mean, you could set up your own VPN on a VPS and ensure it doesn't keep logs. You could also get a VPS in a different legal jurisdiction from where you're at.