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Jill Stein surges ahead of Kamala Harris among Muslim-American voters in key swing states
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I worry that, if Harris loses because Muslim voters don't vote for her, liberals will side with Trump when he does another Muslim ban.
Or something worse this time.
Based on how quickly liberals threw DREAMers under the bus when it started being necessary to outflank Republicans to their right on immigration? This is an inevitability. They were going to do this even if they won, based on the way Hillary Clinton won by three million but Black men still had to hear the most about it from the daughters of Emmett Till's false-accuser.
EDIT: You can see exactly what I'm talking about right here being directly weaponized against actually-principled socialists and communists in this very fucking thread. Stay classy, sh.itsfulla.nazis!
Muslim and/or Arab men also had to hear this nonsense from Harris during the presidential debate when Harris repeated misinformation about October 7, where she said that Hamas and Palestinians sexually assaulted Israelis. How can she expect them to vote for her after that? Harris in general is really bad at speaking to minority men in the United States. I guess that's the predictable end result of Harris making a career out of being a persecutor and sending them to jail.
You and wisdom walk hand in hand from how you picked up what I put down there, this is the one
Your fear is correct, I've seen liberal Nazis salivating about it on reddit. They really hate Muslims.
Nothing to be done about that though. They were going yo turn on Muslims anyway. There can never be safety in collaborating with Nazis
Western supremacy and defense of colonialism is the cornerstone of liberalism, so they will, just like all the liberals did during the US war on Iraq, vietnam, and every other war.
On the contrary if they withold their votes Liberals will have to start appealing to them to win them back.
I'm talking about liberals more broadly, not politicians. The angry mass of liberals might decide to get revenge, even if it isn't in the Democratic Party's interests.
Possibly but they've already shown to care little about brown people while the Muslims did vote Democrat in 2020. They even refused a Palestinian speaker at the DNC.
In the end when the propaganda machine decides it's time to go it goes and targets whomever needs to be dehumanized. And most people from both sides will accept the propaganda without question.
Okay now you're contradicting yourself. It sounds like Democrats don't have to start appealing to Muslims. They'll just crank out propaganda and join Republicans in eradicating them. And what are they going to do? Vote Republican?
I'm saying that voting Democrat does not gain them any immunity from being racially profiled by Democrats.
They have already appealed to Democrats and got nothing in return.
But you're also saying that Democrats will have to appeal to them if they withhold their votes. I don't think they do. Democrats could just write them off like they already do other groups.
Democrats only have so much leeway before they have to crawl back and appeal to voters. Especially since the elections are so close and minority groups hold significant voting power.
Biden got replaced because Democrats realized he was going to lose to Trump. Not because the establishment didn't want to run him.
There's a difference between swapping out Biden for an identical younger candidate and actually appealing to Muslims on this issue.
I think they'd rather help Republicans kill them.
Of course, they all got together to do Islamophobia in unison after 9/11. But what the Bidens ousting proves is that Democrats cannot literally just do whatever they want. There are limits to how hard they can sell out.
Those limits are set by the amount of people willing to vote for it. The DNC would have 100% ran Biden again if they could manage to get their skeleton puppet re-elected again.
Democrats changed Biden for the simple reason of people not willing to vote for him. Nobody will get what they want by simply caving for the DNC and voting for them unconditionally. Democrats did not want to change Biden they were forced to listen for votes.
Biden's ousting proves that the party donors control the party. They changed candidates because the donors didn't want him, and as soon as they changed the Party was showered with money.
Now certainly voter enthusiasm was part of that, but only to a certain extent. Donors aren't going to pull funding because Democrats join a bipartisan Muslim ban.
Donors did everything they could to keep Biden in. Even after Biden 'beat medicare' in his debate with Trump he got backing from the establishment.
The establishment ditched Biden solely because had no shot at beating Trump. No matter how much he was the perfect ghoul puppet, if he can't win there's nothing for his donors to control.
Both parties are trying to sell votes to the highest bidders. Their goal is to sell out as much as possible while still winning the election. But they are now straddling so close to that line that they need to make compromises.
Many immigrants tried to vote Democrat in 2020 only to be met with "build the wall". Muslims loyally voted Democrat and were met with Genocide in Palestine. When politicians don't get punished for going against their voters interests they only learn to keep doing it. After all why should they listen to their base if they keep voting for them
That is revisionist history.
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Donors didn't want to waste money on a loser, but they won't respond the same if Democrats alienate Muslims. There's bipartisan consensus on genocide. The donors are all for it.
Yes thats my point. They will only respond and appeal to voters when they drop in the polls.
They're polling very poorly among Muslims.
The problem is that Muslims are a minority voting population. They only effect the race in a few states. Biden was so bad that he was hurting Democrats in every state.
I just don't think Democrats will do anything to chase Muslim voters. They'd rather help Republicans eliminate them.
I half agree. They are small in number but they have a huge advantage that they primarily live in swing states where all votes matter. If they lived in a blue state you would be completely right.
In the end it really comes down to whether Democrats feel enough pressure before the election to take action. If Trump keeps flopping and crashing in the election they hold little power. If the polls are super close there's a chance Democrats will be forced to take action just like how they dumped Biden.