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I'm sure those living in the seized parts of Ukraine are living in more of democracy now.... /s
Democracy never exists in an active warzone what does that have to do with how the conflict started?
I'm sure if Russia wins, it will bring its conquered lands to highs of democracy the rest of Russia enjoys... and the citizens will absolutely notice the difference.
You're changing the subject away from how the conflict started because you don't know what your talking about
Hands up, no my area. I'm not a Ukrainian. I known a few. They tell me Russia attacked their country. As does ever news outlet that I trust. So yer, sorry random person on the internet, I'm going with their narrative over yours.
So you didn't even skim the Wikipedia page that you linked, cool
Oh I skimmed it. Russia invaded following Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, which was a anti-government uprising because the Russian puppet president won't sign a free trade deal with the EU. Russia claimed it was going in to protect Russian speaking pro-separatists. Only there was a lot of plain clothed Russian military on holiday there and the referendum was not free and fair by and standard above Russian.... etc etc.
Russia should have left Ukraine alone then and the west shouldn't have looked the other way when it didn't.
So the majority of voters who voted for the president that was overthrown in Ukraine’s Revolution should just let it happen? Thats democracy?
From vague memory and skimming Wikipedia: The president wasn't acting for the good of the country, but for the good of his puppet master. The number of protestors against the government significantly outweighed the pro-government protestors. The government lost any moral authority when they authorized live ammo against the protestors.
You have to squint very hard to see Putin's Russia as the good guys. They use dangerous poisoning, on foreign soil, against critics who leave Russia. Those who stay keep falling out of windows. They corrupt foreign democracies using troll farms and funding destabilizing elements. Internal democracy is a sham, Putin is Czar for life. Successful opposition politics are arrested and sent to crazy harsh prisons, where they get beaten to death if trouble continues. The list just goes on and on and that's just from memory and doesn't even include Ukraine.
Screw the Russian government. I hope the Russian people are free it one day soon.
I didn't ask about Russia, I asked about the majority of Ukrainian voters who had their democratically elected president removed from office.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ukrainian_presidential_election
Ukrainians can remove their leaders. Russia doesn't get to do that and they failed so far this time round. Though they have managed to seize yet more land.
Viktor Yanukovych may well have been elected fairly at the time. But he up set his people and then thought it was ok to authorize live ammo on his own people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity
He may not have started as a Russian puppet, but he certainly looked like one at the end.
Ok we're on the same page then, we're both ok with the people of Donetsk/Luhansk rebelling against the Kyiv gov
Those people just happened to include a load Russia soldiers who happened to on holiday there.
Viktor Yanukovych being kicked out was by actural Ukrainians.
I don't see them the same.
Anyway, I'm done here. I keep ending up in these long threads with tankies / trolls from lemmy.world, life is too short.