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Here is my controversial take: if it is true that a cat needs to be let outdoors unsupervised in order to live a happy life full of enrichment, then we should not have pet cats at all.

TW: Discussions of animal death.

Letting a cat wander outside unsupervised is cruel both to local wildlife, but also cruel to the cat.

Letting cats outside is often introducing a non-native species to an ecosystem which has not evolved to deal with cats. How is it any different to us accidentally introducing invasive rats, weasels, and other small predatory mammals into ecosystems? We invest a lot of money into ridding sensitive ecosystems of these invasive species but we turn a blind eye to cats because we selfishly benefit from them being around us, whether it's because we find them cute or because they provide a practical use for us as mousers.

I'm fed up of my neighbours cats who visit my garden. They poop in my planters where I grow vegetables that I eat, which presents a serious health risk to me. The cats predate the birds who visit my garden, which has exclusively been successful on fledglings and other young birds. So far, it has not been a species that is vulnerable and it's only common garden birds, but cats will kill indiscriminately and I have heard many horror stories of endangered birds being predated by cats owned by friends-of-friends.

A pigeon couple has been building a nest in a tree in my garden, but this morning I saw it was predated. I found a chewed open egg, and when showing a photo to my ornithologist friend she theorizes it was most likely a cat as the puncture into the egg shell will have been cleaner if it had been a predatory bird. Predation is a natural part of life, but this predation was not by a natural predator which is part of our local ecosystem and thus I am very upset...

But not only that, I believe letting a cat go outdoors unsupervised is cruel to the cat. Cats so often go missing, more often than not killed by cars. In other countries there are dangerous animals who can kill cats. This is not an issue here but I have personally had to dispose of dead cats who turn up in my garden after being run over on the road in front of my house. I don't think there is any other common pet animal where we so easily expose them to dangers we cannot protect them from.

Just to say, I do not hate cats. I do not blame the cats for pooping in my vegetable beds, or hunting on my property. They are animals only doing what their instincts dictate, and often are doing what we ourselves have taught them when we first domesticated them. Equally, to a degree I struggle to blame some cat owners as people will often argue that keeping a cat inside is cruel, and they do not desire to be cruel to their cats. The intentions are good, and education on this matter is poor.

There is an issue here which needs to be discussed, and the hypocracies we have normalized need to be challenged. For me, I feel that cats either need to be kept indoors if we can verify that this is not cruel to the cat, or we should be required to supervise our cats outdoors like we are supposed to do with dogs, or we should stop having pet cats. Having unsupervised outdoor cats is unacceptable.

Edit: Grammar and adding a TW just to be safe!

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[–] paragade@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does your opinion change regarding outdoor cats in a rural situation, like a farm?

[–] Jho@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, I think so. But I'm not entirely sure of my opinion on this.

I'm sure there are many people out there who rely on their outdoor cats for survival to prevent their food harvests from being plundered by rodents, either because it's their entire income or because it's food they consume themselves.

I am in a position of privilege and do not have to worry about procuring food and my income which I use to survive is not affected by such issues. It certainly feels wrong for me to say that in these situations people should not have outdoor cats when it is not an area I understand very well nor are these problems I face myself.

But of course, cats kill indiscriminately and will not be able to distinguish between a common rodent and an endangered bird. My hope is that there could be an alternative solution which is less destructive to local ecosystems which anyone regardless of wealth could deploy. But I certainly don't know of such a solution.

[–] YourHeroes4Ghosts@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As a person who lives in a farming area- the farmers keep cats, but they are not pets- they're generally almost completely feral, allowed to breed uncontrolled, sometimes are not fed by humans, and when they inevitably wander into the road and are killed by cars, they are thought of as expendable- there are always more to replace them. I agree that there is probably no better rodent control, and rodent control is very necessary, but there has to be a better way to do it than using free-roaming feral farm cats.

[–] VoxAdActa@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I agree that there is probably no better rodent control,

Even their efficacy at rodent control is a myth. They're indiscriminate, opportunist killers that remove at least as many other more selective rodent-controlling animals as they do rodents (for example, snakes and owl hatchlings/fledglings).

The use of free-roaming feral "barn cats" are yet another one of those things that are "traditional", which is to say, not governed actual data-driven policy but by belief/superstition, much like so many other practices that flourish in rural areas.

[–] YourHeroes4Ghosts@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

I never thought of it that way, even thought I know farmers who do not keep cats, and their farms are not overrun with rodents. Terrier dogs are very common for rodent control, but they are generally treated like pets, and probably are far less indiscriminate in their choice of prey. Thank you for expanding my thought process on this.

[–] Jho@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is very interesting to hear. Do you have any links regarding the efficiency of cats for rodent control? I'll certainly be looking this up and reading up about this more later myself so no pressure if you do not have them to hand.

When you mention other rodent-controlling animals it does make me wonder if, say, a potential solution to this issue would be to create areas for native rodent-hunting predators to move in near farms. For example installing owl boxes in barns.

In Poland, to counter rising numbers of mosquitos, many communal buildings install large numbers of swift boxes on them to encourage swifts to nest there, as an alternative to using insecticide. This will not be a one-to-one comparison with owl boxes in barns but it does make me wonder...

Sorry this article is in Polish but it's discussed here: https://www.whitemad.pl/budki-dla-jerzykow-na-zwyklym-bloku-w-warszawie-te-ptaki-to-najwiekszy-wrog-komarow/

[–] VoxAdActa@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

Sure! Here are a few things:

Cats vs rats (Scientific American)

Cats vs mice (Ontario Wildlife Removal)

Cats vs mice, better source that's not trying to sell us things (Bulletin of the World Health Organization

The one above is a long paper, so I'll include a couple of relevant quotes.

From the abstract:

Domestic and feral cats control rodents well in some situations but only after some other agent has removed a large part of the rodent population.

From the conclusion:

Students of predation do not agree on the value of different carnivores as agents for the control of rodents. Howard's (1967) statement that "vertebrate predators usually do more to increase the population densities of field rodents than they do to depress them" implies that "without predation, self-limitation stress factors come into play at lower density levels, and that these forces operate as population controls more drastically than does predation." ... The evidence collected by the writer supports the views of Errington and Pearson that predators cannot effectively control rodent populations.

Barn owls vs rodents in general

Barn owls vs agricultural pests in general

Barn owls vs mice (Missouri Department of Conservation) (very small article, relevant part quoted below)

By identifying the prey remains in the pellets, you can study the owl's food habits. For example, scientists found that pellets beneath one perch contained parts of 1,987 field mice, 656 house mice, 210 rats, 92 blackbirds, and four frogs.

My original source for the claim I made in my original comment was a paper that directly compared owls to cats in their predation potential of mice and rats, but Google is now a shit search engine that just wants to sell me pest control stuff, and I can no longer find it. I can't even find it on Google scholar, so maybe I've been hit with Mandela Effect and that study wasn't done in this universe. I hate when that happens.

Anyway, I'm using barn owls for a comparison because barn owl hatchlings are a common prey of feral cats. The point being that cats actually kill the things that are rodent specialists and that kill X times more mice/rats than the cats do. Unfortunately, that specific information is harder to retrieve than I expected it to be.