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Well, it's what they believe. What exactly is the problem there? I have never been called a murderer. There just aren't that many vegans around. I don't know in what kind of circles this would be a common occurrence.
I'm sorry but this is a dogshit justification in nearly every situation
At first, I was confused. Isn't the fact that you believe something the only justification for saying something? I mean, otherwise you'd be lying. But you're saying you disagree with the belief in the first place, right?
I'm saying that the idea that something is justified because it is believed makes no sense. Apologies for being unclear.
Ok, I understand. You don't like them because of their beliefs.
No, I'm making the same point as @redisdead. Everyone says things because they believe them. That doesn't make what they say correct/valid/etc just because of that belief. I actually think that veganism is a morally good position, but the justification of that position being "because I believe it" means literally nothing.
Ok, so that's why you're not making any sense. You have no idea what's going on.
Look, it's very simple. Vegans are a small, harmless minority. So some people bully them. Of course, it's their own fault. They wouldn't mind them if they weren't "out and proud". It's always the same story. There's almost no variation.
I thought you were saying that it's ok to bully them because they believe the wrong thing. That's what @redisdead is saying. He compares them to "right wing cunts" when they speak their beliefs. Fascis get bashis. Just like vegans, I guess.
Watch the company you keep.
I believe he was making a comparison to show how dumb "because they believe it" is as a justification.
Ironic coming from the guy who doesn't understand an extremely simple concept that two people have patiently tried to explain over the course of five comments. Of course instead of just listening to what we have to say, you insist on accusing me of things that have no basis in reality. Your insistence to categorize people has led you to mischaracterize me, and I doubt I'm the first one. I'm going to assume you frequently have these sorts of arguments, so please step back and take this opportunity to analyze why they keep ending up this way. I will not respond further, I've spent too much time on this already; if you're still confused, reread the thread. Goodbye.
Yet when a right wing cunt says what he believes about minorities, that's a problem.
Vegans believe that animals have the same rights to live as humans. A nazi believes that the "others" do not have the same right to live as "his people".
I don't think you'll be able to convince me that these are morally or ethically equivalent positions. But I see the point. They both believe the wrong thing. The out-group sucks. Yes, I know how humans tick.
So what you're saying is, their belief in their position doesn't make it right/wrong. It's the position itself that makes it right/wrong. That's what we've been trying to say.