this post was submitted on 06 Sep 2024
102 points (98.1% liked)

News

22886 readers
4144 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] ravhall@discuss.online 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Plenty of American kids need homes.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

American adoption agencies can deny adoptions if they don't like anything about you. Including your religion. And most of them are Christian, including the ones getting money from the state.

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/politics/2022/01/20/holston-united-methodist-home-for-children-adoption-tennessee-refused-family-jewish/6582864001/

China, on the other hand, allowed you to adopt if you're things like queer or single or not Christian.

[–] Spiralvortexisalie@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do you have a source for China allowing anyone who isn’t cisgender to adopt? I have only ever heard that it is an instant denial.

[–] ravhall@discuss.online 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I understand that some of them have issues. Instead of fixing those supply chain issues, we have been outsourcing to China.

[–] fern@lemmy.autism.place 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Even if that's the term we have for it, I hate the use of supply chain here, it's got such an uncaring tone....

[–] ravhall@discuss.online 4 points 1 week ago

International adoption is a rather uncaring business to be in. Sure, it’s “for the children,” but I’m betting cash is still king.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Capitalism doesn't work on giving everyone a decent standard of living. It works on creating inequality that drives those people who perceive that they have less than others to do something about it. They might work multiple jobs and shorten their lifespan, creating profits for others. They might give up, relying on welfare systems and/or begging. They might become criminals, taking from others to get what they think they deserve.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

"We created a system based on "scarcity," and then manufactured scarcity."

[–] ravhall@discuss.online 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’m sure you’re responding to someone else.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm explaining that capitalism is not going to deliver a good standard of living for everyone, because it profits from inequality.

[–] ravhall@discuss.online 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What does that have to do with international adoption bans?

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Your comment, which I replied to:

Plenty of American kids need homes.

And I said: "Capitalism doesn't work on giving everyone a decent standard of living."
Apologies if my communication is too neurodivergent for you, just block me.

Edit: Or you could engage in infrahumanisation by asserting that I'm spreading pro-Chinese propaganda... by saying that capitalism is flawed... when China is a hyper-capitalist hellscape.
At least try to make sense.

[–] ravhall@discuss.online 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’m saying that instead of adopting internationally, one could look locally, as there are plenty of kids who need adoption. They don’t need to resort to importing a child from a country that profits on exporting children.

Tell me more about how capitalism fits into an adoption conversation, wumao.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I’m saying that instead of adopting internationally, one could look locally

In terms of benefits to fellow living beings, being a good parent to a child from China is exactly as beneficial as being a good parent to a child from the US. One of those things isn't more morally appropriate.

There are also other reasons reported online for specifically adopting Chinese children. Due to political decisions, China had many unwanted but healthy female children. There appears to be a strong bias from many families for wanting physically healthy children. This occurred in Romania in the 80s (due to demands from the government to women to have more babies that they could not afford to feed, leading to a large amount of international adoptions and research into those adopted children from Romania).
Another that I am aware of is that Christian churches talk about adopting Chinese babies as a means of spreading Christianity. I also sadly suspect that the very far distance between the child and their birth parents might also be attractive, as there would not be as much meddling in the religious teachings that the adoptive families would wish to instil. It became a popular fad for some time, that had already lessened before this news of China tightening international adoption policies. There are articles about this, but the specific one I read a few months ago is not in my history.
Also, maybe some American parents who already have American children prefer 'exotic' children? It's gross, but that's the kind of choice you enable when you treat children as a commodity that can be traded internationally for money.

 

It is clear that economics and politics are amongst the forces principally creating situations where we have many children requiring adoption within a country, and also the situation that the adults in that country feel unable to support them. Then, globalisation allows for international adoption. It's economic systems all the way down.

[–] ravhall@discuss.online -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I guess this is what it's like talking to a bad generative AI.

[–] ravhall@discuss.online -1 points 1 week ago

I agree. Next time, use your own words, not an LLM, and stay on topic without making everything into a commentary about capitalism.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No, ~~he~~ they write that to everyone.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago
[–] ravhall@discuss.online 0 points 1 week ago

Wumao strikes again!