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[–] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

ITT: People still unironically arguing that feeding a cat a diet that is biologically incapable of meeting a cat's dietary needs is a good idea.

smh.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I just find it wild that vegans can simultaneously come to the conclusion that all forms of animal farming is unethical but still accept that keeping pets is ethical. My wife grew up on a milk goat farm, every single goat had a name (and they had hundreds of goats), and the goats generally lived lives as good as the average pet. They'd run around and play, get attention from the people who lived and worked there, and every once in a while escape the pens just to prove that they can (they'd literally be standing around the yard waiting for their escapades to be discovered)

Even if the concern is "some farms are unethical and I'm not able to validate where my food comes from to make sure its a farm that isn't abusive to its animals" there's ways around that, like buying from your local coop (in the case of meats, buying from a local butcher) or buying direct from the farm. Usually when you're that close to the farm its really easy to trace your products back to a specific farm, or even make a deal with the butcher/coop to only buy products from a specific farm

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

There are many different vegans with many different viewpoints. I am not vegan, but I come pretty close - I do still consume a limited amount of dairy, but otherwise I don't buy animal products. This is for the reasons you say - I don't want to support factory farming. I also have a limited amount of time in my life for investigating everything I eat, however - I don't honestly have the stamina to check every egg-containing product to see if it used battery eggs or not. I really don't have the time to check if the "free range" eggs I'm buying are really free range or if they have sneaked around the regulations and it's battery farming in disguise. It's just easier not to buy any eggs.

I will accept eggs from people I know who keep chickens - no problem from me there. I think that humans having relationships with domestic animals is fine, generally we both benefit - the animals because they are protected from predators, they get fed, etc, and us because we gets eggs.

Some vegans would not agree with me. Some vegans don't believe humans should keep any animals, including pets. I don't believe there's an issue with keeping some pets though. Domesticated animals wouldn't even exist without us... Like it or not their "natural" habitat is living with humans. You couldn't release all the dogs and expect that to be better for us or them.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

She grew up on on a milk goat farm but never learned that goats don't give milk from the goodness of their heart?

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Honestly at that point I think it's lower effort to just go vegan. You're already avoiding meat in every situation where you can't investigate the supply chain, so no meat at restaurants, fast food, friends' houses, etc. I guess if you really crave the taste of meat or something or if you live on a farm already I could see a case for it. For me, the case of going to the grocery and making a meal at home was always the easiest case to have a vegan diet (and avoiding all the extra prep and cleanup from preparing meat were nice perks), the parts that were actual hurdles were the convenience of fast food and not wanting to assert myself in group meals.

Personally, I figure that the tiny sliver of meat that's produced ethically can go to the tiny sliver of people with weird dietary restrictions, and to cats, I guess. We still need to see a massive reduction in meat consumption if we want to address the abuse that's rampant in the vast majority of meat production.

[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Almost all vegan pet owners ADOPT their pets.

Compared to Franky who pays a breeder so he can gift a cat like it's a fucking toy.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What does adopting vs. buying from a breeder have to do with this person's point?

[–] Omniforous@mander.xyz 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The argument is that breeding more animals for the enjoyment of humans is bad, but the existing animals should be given as good of a life as we can. Since rescuing does not directly support the breeders, some vegans are OK with rescuing to give these animals a better life. Some vegans use similar logic to thrift wool sweaters for yarn, when they would not support buying new wool.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

I would argue that your pet didn't consent to being ~~imprisoned~~ rescued and should be free. Kidnapping, false imprisonment, and forced sterilization are antithetical to vegan ideology.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense. I've never though of the concept of "adopt don't shop" being a "vegan friendly" option for pet ownership, I've just always thought it was an obvious choice, but I get the connection now.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

feeding a cat a diet that is biologically incapable of meeting a cat’s dietary needs

We've been putting supplemental taurine in cat kibble for decades.

[–] parrhesia@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Just because there is supplemental taurine in cat kibble doesn't mean that's the only thing they need from their diet. Just get a different pet jfc

[–] Omniforous@mander.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

Taurine is usually singled or because it is the only nutrient required to meet the AACFO cat food guidelines that can not be readily sourced directly from plants.

[–] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There's a world of difference between supplementing taurine and engineering a synthetic meat-free diet for a cat, requiring continuous blood and urine testing which, if done incorrectly or not monitored correctly, will 100% fuck up and probably kill your cat.

[–] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 week ago

Biologically incapable is a lie. Vegan pet food is fortified with all the nutrients they might need.