It feels like new games are just more of the same, with no real meaning. However I recently started playing "Return of the Obra Dihn" and love open ended deduction in it. It feels like I'm actually figuring things out by myself without being handheld through it. Are there any other games that don't coddle the player that you guys recommend?

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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If you're liking the feeling of solving a mystery with no handholding, give Shadows of Doubt a look. 1920s detective noir set in an alt-history retro cyberpunk 1970s where the Coca-Cola corporation is the president of the USA. Yeah, that's a mouthful, but what you get is a proper hard-boiled detective story where you are in total control of how you pursue every case. The game gives you an honest to God murder board with string and sticky notes. There's no "detective mode" bullshit where you scan for clues and then the game solves the mystery for you. It's completely on you to find the evidence, follow leads, canvas witnesses, scrub through security footage, stake out a suspect's apartment or place of work, and finally make an arrest (and hope like hell you didn't finger the wrong person). This all plays out in a fully simulated city district. Every room in every building can be entered. Every NPC has a complete life; a partner (maybe), a home (usually), a job, a medical history, a shoe size, fingerprints, the works.

The voxel graphics aren't for everyone, and there's some areas where it's less complete than others, but those only really stand out because of how shockingly complete the world is in so many other ways. All in all, it's a brilliant game, and like nothing else out there.

[–] bigboismith@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I've tried it, but couldn't really get into it. Didn't feel like there was much deduction, but more just evidence collecting. However I didn't play for too long and I'm planning to try again. I assume it takes same time to get invested

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago

Maybe you should try a more chaotic approach to solving the crimes in that game, like Josh does in this video

That's a link to a video from Let's Game it Out. Josh's thing is playing games the "wrongest" way possible.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I love the concept but honestly I can't solve shit. I even got a side mission once to take a picture of a vague description of a person who lived on the 4th floor of an apartment. Thankfully there was only one apartment on that floor. Unfortunately there were two people who lived there. And neither matches any of the descriptors.

And that's the side jobs. Murder? Forget about it, I got no clue.

Any idea where I could learn?

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah, hit up YouTube, look for tutorials. There are some great guides to things you really should know (the game's tutorial is minimal at best) and handy tips for crime solving. Some of this stuff you can figure out in game with some intuitive leaps, like looking for security footage, or checking sales ledgers in stores to find out who bought a murder weapon. Other stuff is a little more obscure.

The game is still early access (or only just recently left it) so you also probably ran into some bugs. There are/were some missions that just spawned wrong and couldn't be completed.