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[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Depends on the root cause. If the terrorism comes from a place of desperation for liberation or emancipation, addressing the underlying material conditions would prevent that kind of terrorism. A great example of that is Apartheid South Africa and Ireland. On the other hand, if the terrorism comes from a place of Fascism, like ISIS or the KKK, I think funding progressive and democratic opposition and also education would have the most positive effect. Holding the terrorists responsible for their actions and jailing them accordingly is really important, but to solve the underlying cause is critical to end it entirely. Otherwise, if the root cause isn't addressed, there is no reason to believe the terrorism will stop.

[–] Sadbutdru@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think the material conditions in Iraq had a major impact on the ability of ISIS to recruit and spread their ideology.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Admittedly, I don't know much about the details of the history of ISIS. But from what I understand I agree, the material conditions that resulted from the US's invasion of Iraq was a major significant factor in the rise of ISIS

https://www.vox.com/2014/8/25/6065529/isis-rise

[–] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Ireland is still a work in progress and can regress at any time. The material conditions haven't all been addressed. There's still a supremacist culture with a settler colonial mindset that remains. There's currently a liberal solution of appeasement in place, we are constantly bombarded with demands for more concessions from the conservative mainstream media in Ireland.

https://x.com/crimesofbrits/status/884060036980408321

https://x.com/IrishMa88348067/status/1811476641719198111

[–] nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

ISIS aren't fascist, they don't have a desire to rule, they just want to fight and kill. They're wardogs

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I consider all ambitions to form an ethnostate a flavor of Fascism

Since at latest 2004, a significant goal of the group has been the foundation of a Sunni Islamic state.

That is their stated goal, but their actions show otherwise.

They mostly fight other Sunni Muslim organizations like Taliban, Hamas, Al Qaeda, which does not help in their stated goal.

They claim to follow the teachings of an author called Sayed Qutb, who is a really big figure in the Muslim brotherhood (which Hamas comes from) yet they attack Hamas.

Also

IS ideologues rarely uphold adherence to Islamic scholarship and law manuals for reference, mostly preferring to derive rulings based on self-interpretation of the Qur'an and Muslim traditions


Compare ISIS with the Taliban, an actual fascist organization which wants to rule in such a manner. Taliban mainly operated in Afghanistan, against invaders be they Russians, NATO, whatever. They did not operate in foreign countries like ISIS does. ISIS openly admits that it wants to destabilize other countries and radicalize Muslims living abroad to convince them to commit acts of terror

ISIS wants to stir religious hatred in Europe and the United States – so that Muslims no longer feel they belong in the West, and either carry out attacks in their homelands or leave to join the caliphate.

If they genuinely wanted to establish a caliphate they would first focus on gaining regional dominance, then either freeing Al quds, and occupying mecca.

Instead they fight Hamas, and try to get Muslims to commit acts of terror abroad

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 1 month ago

They’re effectively wardogs but their desire is to establish a large and radically Islamic empire