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It is, but many vegans also do really unhelpful things that are closer to trying to berate or shame people into not eating meat and it is obviously not effective.
You do not know the best advice for advocacy for a group without being part of it.
You say you’re supportive of vegans but then go out of your way to say the “vegan cheese is gross”
it's possible they do
there is nothing about being vegan that makes you suited for advocacy
I know it may be hard to believe, but my taste in food is different from yours. I would never cook with vegan cheese. There are plenty of vegan recipes out there which don't require processed fake food.
Taste is not a valid argument to harm bovines and there are many different types of vegan cheeses, you cannot generalize.
There’s that antivegan language again “fake food”
Processed fake cheese is fake food.
You don't get it. Don't use real cheese or fake cheese. Cook healthy things, not that processed shit. Why do you have to have some form of cheese?
You’re being culturally insensitive and uncivil. The processed plant-based food problem is overblown and fearmongered in the mainstream media in order to protect the interests of animal agriculture. Vegans want the taste of cheese without the cruelty involved.
Easter eggs don’t have eggs in them so why call them that.
This literally started with your incivility. And pretending I hate veganism because I think vegan cheese is gross does not make you sound like you're saying something smart. Just so you know.
I think bananas are gross too. Does that mean I hate people who eat all fruit? Are people allowed to dislike eating things you like?
milking a cow doesn't harm it.
Out of curiosity, how many people have you convinced to go vegan?
None. Why do I have to convince a single person to criticize an argument I don't think is convincing?
Well, I guess I'm just not sure why you're trying to give us advice about something you have zero experience with.
If I didn't know better, I'd say that you don't actually care what kind of approach is more convincing, and you're just trying to tell us to shut up, or say things in a way that makes us easy to ignore.
You have no idea what you're talking about at best, and realistically, you don't even want us to be successful. So, thank you for your unsolicited advice on which tacts are unhelpful, but, just so you know, I will be promptly tossing it into the trash.
I have a lot of experience with people trying to convince me of things.
And you are welcome to take the advice I didn't give to you in the first place and throw it in the trash.
how much experience do you have with people convincing you of things?
A lot. I just said.
well no that was people trying to convince you, i can try to convince you that the sky is yellow for example, but that'd be fucking stupid.
I'm just curious how many people have actually managed to convince you of something.
Do you think I keep a running tally?
i doubt it, but i would assume you have some sort of anecdotal references somewhere, considering most living people can recall things and discussions with other people, especially more involved ones.
You asked me how many, not for examples. You're just moving the goalposts because your original request was not answerable.
i didn't ask you for an example, i'm just curious how much of "people trying to convince you" ends up being "people convincing you"
And I'm telling you I don't keep a running tally. I have no idea why you expect me to be able to answer that quantitatively.
which is why i granted you the flexibility of answering the outside of a quantitative fashion, as i don't expect people to do unreasonable things.
You then accused me of moving the goalposts (which are my goalposts btw?) in order to make it more answerable, and then refused to answer presumably out of bad faith. I'm literally just curious about how you would conceptualize that.
I can’t tell you a quantity in a non-quantitative fashion. You want to know how many and the answer remains that I have no idea because I don’t keep count. I’m sorry you don’t like that answer, but it’s still the answer.
If you want to know how many and don’t accept that I have no idea, feel free to pick a number between zero and infinity and apply it as a rough estimate.
damn, what a philosopher you are. Fucking plato over here.
that's fair, i would assume you have some ability to provide some level of estimation, but maybe that's just my autism. Or maybe you just shitpost way too much to be able to care about anything you say on the internet lol.
I was going to respond to the rest of your post, but I see what you really want is someone to insult and I’m not interested in Reddit behavior.
How much experience do you have repeating useless questions?
if the original statement is useless (it's not a question, so i'm not repeating it) then my question should be more useful in the context of that useless statement, considering i have a specific word removed that changes the entire meaning of the question.
no arguments there