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No dedicated community/magazine for Fediverse memes? (sh.itjust.works)
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I've noticed that there isn't a single Lemmy community, Mbin magazine etc. for Fediverse memes.

Is that because 99.9% of the Threadiverse came directly from Reddit, almost all Lemmy communities and *bin magazines are outposts of subreddits, and Reddit doesn't meme the Fediverse because hardly anyone on Reddit knows the Fediverse in the first place?

Is it, in addition, because especially Lemmy is too detached from the rest of the Fediverse to know what's memeable and to really understand memes about the Fediverse outside Lemmy?

Or is it simply because Fediverse memes go into other, more general communites/magazines where they simply drown in the flood of other threads?

I mean, I barely see any memes about the Fediverse anywhere on Mastodon. That may be either because your typical Mastodonian is not cut from meme-maker wood, or your typical Mastodonian doesn't know enough about the Fediverse beyond Mastodon, or next to nobody hashtags their meme posts. so they're impossible to find.

And so I thought that this is more common in the Threadiverse, seeing as how meme-happy Reddit is.

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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That issue is not being solved if nobody even realize it’s there or is just being swept under the rug until it comes up with the next wave!?

To me the biggest factor is some of the LW staff "name squatting" a topic rather than agreeing to redirect to active communities on the same topic.

All of us who are already on board can leave for a cutting edge instance. I think it’s a good thing that they want to keep world stable and take their time.

Most of the users are unaware of most of the features. I met a year-long user the other day who had no idea they could import / export their settings. Also, that release has been out for 2 months and a half, 54% of the instances use it (https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy/versions ), including 7 other instances of the top 10 (https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy )

What, like automatically transfer subscribers (and hopefully posts at some point) etc? I thought everybody needs to be on board and then do it manually?

No, to be honest having a look at the code I'm not sure we would ever get such a feature. Mastodon does not allow this kind of imports, and they are much more stable and mature than Lemmy. Maybe in 5, 10 years? So in the meantime, we can do it ourselves the way I described above.

As they should be, not just delete some community because some user claimed it was dead and unmoderated (like i saw you do recently with a community which had an active user as admin ;). If they just deleted those communities i guess you’d go at them again with the power trip accusations.

That's interesting you mention this, because

  • I never asked anyone to delete any community
  • I asked to get inactive communities locked, which the LW admins agreed with
  • If the mod (and not the admin) of that community was that active, they should have unpinned the post saying "looking for mods" as the first post you see you their community (as we are talking, it's still there)
  • In the end, even that mod agreed to lock that community up and redirect to another one ( https://feddit.org/post/2324020 )

I am never in favor of deleting any community, that's detrimental to the platform.

To add to that topic, I try to get people on Reddit to switch to Lemmy a lot (they are probably the biggest potential users we can get), and the first question they ask is "why are those communities empty? It looks like a ghost town".

Locking them down, and redirecting to active communities makes Lemmy look more appealing as a whole.

power trip accusations

Power tripping definitely happens, for a lot of mod / admins. It's sad, but sometimes it's the main driver to a healthier community / instance, as the meme stated above.

Damn, that's a lot of text 😄

[–] AchtungDrempels@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

LW staff “name squatting”

I have a feeling that LW staff would give a different reason for this. As they did with the community that you asked to be locked (not deleted, i misremembered this ;). And yes, that mod agreed and now the community is locked. That's great! But i won't hold it against world admins to not listen to people from other instances asking for communities to be locked, when the mods are still active users. If they did that i would have more of a problem with it. I think this turned out perfect? But if a mod doesn't want to oblige to your requests, then so be it, i think that is just fair.

54% of the instances use it

Oh wow, i would have thought it would be more. I would like to be "up to date" and see all the images i uploaded and maybe delete some but i still i think it is a good idea that they are being cautious and i trust them on their judgement, i don't believe they refrain from updating for shady reasons or out of spite or whatever.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But i won’t hold it against world admins to not listen to people from other instances asking for communities to be locked, when the mods are still active users.

What does "other instances" mean in a federated context? I can use my LW alt, use it to post everywhere for a few weeks, am I now a local user?

But if a mod doesn’t want to oblige to your requests, then so be it, i think that is just fair.

I have another example for this !dataisbeautiful@mander.xyz

  • We discussed on !fedigrow@lemm.ee where we could host an alternative dataisbeautiful community, we decided on mander.xyz
  • I spent some time discussing with the mander.xyz admins, seeing if they would like to have the community on their instance, all the jazz
  • I open the community, it's quite active, all good. We kind of solved the paradox of choice issue for people, this community is becoming the default one for this type of content.

From time to time, some LW users go to the LW to post. Then all of a sudden, the paradox of choice is there again, and it's less clear for everyone as well.

All of this while 2 of the 3 mods haven't been active for months, and the last one just popped back from a 2 months hiatus, preventing me from requesting the community.

That's what frustrating with the whole situation. Sometimes you also encounter name sitters such as https://lemmy.world/u/WandererLagomorph770

Have a look at that list of communities, and tell me this is not a name squatter.

Oh wow, i would have thought it would be more.

There are a lot of abandoned instances. Actually, it's the other way around. Having a look at the stats, most of the populated instances are using 0.19.5 except LW, so it's 18k out of the around 50k monthly users which are held back.

To be honest, I even forgot the picture thing was introduced then.

[–] AchtungDrempels@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What does “other instances” mean in a federated context?

It means that the instance admins have a higher responsibility towards their own users, mods and communities wishes.

I have another example for this !dataisbeautiful@mander.xyz

Yeah well i don't think they should lock that community if the mod doesn't want it to be locked. Do you really think that would be right? Should i go and demand the solarpunk bird community to be locked because world's is more active? I think it'd be pretty bad if they did, not that i think they would. Also i don't think that user you called out is part of world's staff.

The paradox of choice is something you have deal with in the fediverse i guess, starts at choosing a server. I don't think it should be that big of a deal, as long as communities can be found from the instances internal search.

0.19.5

I still don't think they keep us from being upgraded to be mean.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah well i don’t think they should lock that community if the mod doesn’t want it to be locked. Do you really think that would be right? Should i go and demand the solarpunk bird community to be locked because world’s is more active? I think it’d be pretty bad if they did, not that i think they would.

It's up to debate, but to me if the mod isn't active for the community (e.g. posting regularly), they should ask for someone else to take up that role. And if nobody wants the role, and there is another active community to redirect too, it could be nice to lock the inactive community down and redirect to the active one.

I mod a few inactive communities (such as !harrypotter@literature.cafe ). If someone came to me and said "hey, we've been trying to get our own HP community active, you already have some people on yours, would you mind locking yours down as you don't seem to actively mod it, and redirect to ours?" I would definitely do it.

Also i don’t think that user you called out is part of world’s staff.

They are not, but at the same time the LW rules still allow them to namesquat that community.

The paradox of choice is something you have deal with in the fediverse i guess, starts at choosing a server. I don’t think it should be that big of a deal, as long as communities can be found from the instances internal search.

For the instance, as long as you take the big ones (LW, lemm.ee, SJW, dbzer0, lemmy.ca, etc.), your experience will indeed be the same. To know which community to post too, this is a different story, and I've seen a lot of people telling me "I stay on Reddit because when I when to post about a topic, there's a clear community where to. On Lemmy, there are two or three active communities competing for the same topic, and it's just confusing". Of course we should keep different communities for different folks (no one would consider merging lemmy.ml communities with LW's), but we can also reduce the confusion for a few core topics that can help new joiners to get settled

I still don’t think they keep us from being upgraded to be mean.

They are not, but as I said earlier, LW is so large than they have to be extra cautious with their updates. If they would be 20% of the total Lemmy population, and 30 of the top 100 communities compared to now, they would probably be more at ease with "me can mess up a bit, it's okay". Having them as a cornerstone of the whole platform puts them constantly under the spotlight.

[–] AchtungDrempels@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

LW rules still allow them to namesquat that community

So i had another look. I think it's actually kinda crazy that you demand they should lock the dataisbeautiful community. The world one has a bunch of different users posting stuff to it, in the mander one it is 50% you. The mods are all active lemmy users, max three months since last comment (and we don't know when they last logged in to lemmy). You just claim it is an unmanaged community, but it looks just fine to me, no spam or whatever. And i don't agree at all that mods necessarily need to be actively posting into the communities they mod.

Quoting the quote where you mentioned me in that other topic

You can easily pick the “wrong” community on a topic, and see zero content when there’s another one full of posts but…

This does not apply to the world community, but i guess to the ones other than mander, ml and world:

The ml community is also not locked btw.

And i don't see how this could be fixed in the lemmyverse, having multiple communities for same topic? It is just part of how this works? It is also kinda easy to tell by these search results which communities might be active. And if you're interested in the topic, you'd subscribe to all of them (active ones). That's how it was a year ago too, when i looked for communities of my interest.

Honestly i understand you less after looking into it more. I mean i get the desire to spread out communities and i think it would be a good thing, but you can't just force your will onto other people and their ideas like that.

LW is so large than they have to be extra cautious with their updates. If they would be 20% of the total Lemmy population, and 30 of the top 100 communities compared to now, they would probably be more at ease with “me can mess up a bit, it’s okay”. Having them as a cornerstone of the whole platform puts them constantly under the spotlight.

Well then we agree that it seems to be fine how they do it.