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If the US stayed out of other countries politics and there were no coups or installation of people favorable to the US what would the world look like? (lemmy.world)

submitted 3 months ago by Don_Dickle@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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[–] leisesprecher@feddit.org 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

That's actually the really sad story here.

Every "experimental" regime was either toppled (Chile) or had to align with the USSR (Cuba) to survive. There was never a real attempt at democratic socialist politics without interference from superpowers.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There was never a government at all without interference from superpowers.

[–] leisesprecher@feddit.org 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Of course, but most governments are allowed to mostly be sovereign.

Sweden or Australia play ball on their own, no need for a coup here.

[–] SLfgb@feddit.nl 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Lol, what? Australia is a US lackee more than anywhere else. And the CIA was definitely involved in the Whitlam sacking.

[–] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 months ago

For real, the US committed a coup in Australia with Whitlam. They don't constrain the CIA to just poor countries.

[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Idk, but I feel like Olof Palme (PM of Sweden) def got murdered by the USA for his criticism on the Vietnam War. Or by South Africa for his criticism on apartheid.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

most governments are allowed to mostly be sovereign

Generally speaking, sovereign governments achieve that sovereignty through military might or the inability of would-be rulers to rule them, not by simply being “allowed” to govern themselves by neighbors.

The USA did not invent power.

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

My relative likes to mention Nicaragua in the 1970s/80s, but I haven't had the time to read up about it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

All Socialism is democratic, including Cuba and the USSR. Trying to reform the system along Socialist lines from within the system like Allende is why he sadly failed and was couped by the US Empire.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 months ago

This is a non sequitur. It doesn't follow that Allende choosing reform over revolution is what resulted in the US interference. The US has been known to interfere in revolutionary movements as well.

[–] leisesprecher@feddit.org 0 points 3 months ago

The US tried to invade Cuba as well, and tried to kill Castro, several times. That's ultimately why he did align with the USSR - choosing the bully that's slightly more on your side.