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Maybe i'm in the minority here, but inviting republicans from the bush years to speak at the DNC isn't actually that reassuring to me if I care about stopping genocide, or think that the US foreign policy as a whole is bad and wrong.
Hell I'd go so far as to say if you invite a ghoul like Mike Pence to speak at your convention, you obviously don't give a shit about LBG issues at all, and are only using them as a shied so that no one can criticize your absolute inaction over the past 50 years on all social issues.
The point being made with their appearance is that Trump is so toxic and repulsive that defectors are actively coming out of the woodwork to endorse Harris. It's meant to appeal to independents and Republicans who see modern Trump and are increasingly off-put by him.
Now, they are all aggressively repulsive pieces of shit, sure. But I think we all agree that Trump is an even more aggressive piece of shit in comparison.
Appealing to right wing voters by adopting their policies never works.
These ex-Republicans are not reaching other Republicans at the DNC. They are speaking to Democrats and selling them on their policies.
They're not even ex-Republicans.
Did you actually listen to any of their speeches?
No as you can read in the article Fox News didn't air them /s
How the hell is trump worse than bush era republicans or Mike fucking pence?
Bush era republicans and mike pence still believe in voting.
Trump wants to be a dictator.
In a country where the government m is just 3 corporations in a trench coat, this is a meaningless distinction. None of these people give the slightest fuck about what the public thinks on any given issue and will work with the Democrats to undermine any public movement that tries to assert its will (see gaza protests which are just the latest example of this).
Participating in oppressor Olympics means you don't actually hold any values.
The real world is nuanced and complicated sometimes. The enemy of my enemy is my friend works here.
We at least need to be welcoming and accepting of defectors until we've beaten trump and reinforced our democracy so a threat like trump can't happen again.
Refusing to participate in anything and just letting bad things happen means you don't actually hold any values.
What are you saying? That First Past The Post voting disenfranchises a huge portion of the electorate by artificially limiting the number of viable political parties?
The "totally supports democracy" democrats are probably all over correcting this issue in the states they control right?
Yup, FPTP is garbage, and the US is a dumpster fire third world country with a Gucci handbag.
And yet, doing nothing can result in things getting even worse, so someone shouldn't pretend to have some sort of moral superiority over doing nothing from stopping napalm being thrown on the fire because "it's already burning anyway."
So you support Genocide. Good to know, now just be honest with yourself.
"sitting around doing nothing does not make you morally superior"
"So you support genocide"
Well you sure sound like a rational person with reasonable arguments worth listening to...
Who said anything about doing nothing? There is a large amount you can do beside supporting genocide "because the world is complex", and doing nothing. One of those things is not voting for the parties that support genocide as a bare minimum.
"There's lots of things you can do, one of those things is nothing."
Not the correct attitude. This is an all-hands on deck fight against the fourth reich. Even people who suck for the reasons you correctly list are willing to point out that trump sucks. I don't care if they were republican traitors yesterday if they figured their shit out and are getting the water out of the boat alongside us now.
If the boat gets repaired and stable again, then we can afford to only have less dangerous allies.
Agreed, which is why you must oppose genocide.
I agree with you that the Gaza genocide needs to be addressed immediately and with decisive action, and its deeply disheartening that it might not come unil November, but I do believe it is coming. This kind of human suffering cant be so easily ignored, I find it hard to believe that a Harris presidency would stand idle.
Harris is the motherfuking vice president of the administration sending tens of billions of dollars worth of weapons to Israel. What in the actual fuck are you talking about? Are liberals genuinely this clueless?
Yes, we should all work to destroy the American empire.
... what? You mean, the "fourth reich" is not the empire which keeps bombing and genociding and looting its way round the world, but is just ... some guy? Who can be defeated by saying he sucks?
The Democrats (and republicans) are the water in the boat.
Sounds serious! So when will the democratic party drop gun control considering this imminent threat?