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I asked someone this question before and they said it was a really stupid question and I'm not sure why so thought I would ask it here...

What's going to happen when AI becomes really advanced? Is there a plan for what all of the displaced people are going to do? Like for example administrative assistance, receptionist, cashiers, office workers, White collar people. Is there going to be some sort of retraining program of some sort to get people cross-trained into other careers like nursing or other careers that have not yet been automated? Or are people just going to lose their homes, be evicted and is there going to be like some sort of mass eviction and homelessness downstream effect because people can't find any work?

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[–] cloudless@lemmy.cafe 39 points 4 months ago (3 children)

If there is AGI and it doesn’t turn hostile towards humans, hopefully there could be universal basic income?

But more likely, the rich and powerful have better access to advanced AI, and the poor get into even more difficult situations. It will probably be gradual like how machines replaced most factory workers.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

We're already seeing it. Jobs are going down because AI allows companies to do the same work with less headcount.

There is no reality in which the workers actually benefit though. Never has been. When machine looms and steam engines came into being, the workers didn't get any richer or had to work less for the same pay either. Jobs disappeared, most people got other jobs, some better, most worse and the unluckiest starved.

History always repeats.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 months ago

Jobs disappeared, most people got other jobs, some better, most worse and the unluckiest starved.

What happened is that people started to stay longer in school, agricultural labour withered, and with it, kids having to work the fields at a very young age. People became more educated, resulting in more democratic societies, more equality, and a higher standard of living.

This was not because of the machine looms and steam engines, but because greedy fucks used them to put people in a position where they had no choice but to push back, and that labour action created unions, five-day work weeks, 8-hour days, paid time off for sickness and leisure, and pretty much everything we take for granted.

[–] kernelle@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So what you're saying is we need a revolution?

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Well I'm up for that. It's just one of those things that are kinda hard on your own.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

History always repeats.

No.

Only if the people fail to learn from history, they are bound to repeat it.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Which we seem to do lol

[–] cloudless@lemmy.cafe 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Imagine if AI gets elected as the president of the USA because it is more advanced and reliable than human candidates. There has been nothing like that in history.

AGI would be very different to all other previous technological advances.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

if AI gets elected as the president of the USA because it is more advanced and reliable than human candidates

It is not the good ones that get elected.

[–] AdNecrias 0 points 4 months ago

Just needs to be more orange then.

I mean… if it’s true AGI, you’re basically talking about the Singularity, and I don’t think anyone, regardless of wealth or power, will be able to control them meaningfully in the long one without the AGI(s) in question doing something interesting in response.

[–] BugleFingers@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

This is why I like what I do, although not impossible to have robots/AGI do it, it definitely won't be first in line due to the mix of labor, thinking/workarounds, and custom work/fixes needed. You'd need a sufficiently high functioning robot with good AGI and stellar fine motor controls.

I do agree though. It'll likely make upperclass society way more luxury and less effort while the lower class wouldn't see much to ease their way of life but might get some neat stuff to play with. There'd be a good argument for never developing fully automated systems to remove work from the people. Keeping people working gives the ruling class more power and takes away the lower class's time and energy. Very beneficial for them if their intent is to keep power. It also allows them to control scarcity and ensure fiat money continues to exist. Keeping money around as an idea in a technically possible post scarcity world ensures a way to divide who is better off and how able you are to control others.