Like for many other people, Valve single player experiences were one of my favorite of all time growing up. I considered both Half-Life and Portal to be masterpieces. It's true they've always been distracted with multiplayer games as well, things like Counter-Strike or Team Fortress and I did play them for sure, because I was a kid and I had all the time in the world.

These days I'm not a kid anymore and so when I game I tend to look more for memorable experiences instead of mindless grinding. Obviously I remember Valve as the experts in creating memorable experiences and I would like them to keep fully exploring those talents. They don't have that many employees, but they do have all the money in the world, no external pressure, no publisher to shit on them, it's just their developers and artists and a vision. But then they use all that and create this. An Overwatch looking moba shooter, really? I'm sure people will like and play it, but is this the results of the vision and ambition of a company like Valve?

It doesn't have to be Half-Life. I remember them saying that they dont want to do another one in the series because they are looking to innovate and make something truly original. My body is ready, give me anything. I can't imagine a moba shooter really fits with this description. I'm wondering how such a low hanging concept even becomes a real product at a company as ambitious as Valve.

I hear people are having fun with the new game and I'm happy for them. I am no longer the target audience and I wish them good luck with it. In the mean time let me hear your thoughts on it. Would you like to see another single player experience from Valve?

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[–] Virkkunen@fedia.io 37 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

"An overwatch looking moba shooter"

No, it plays like Battleborn and Monday Night Combat, a third person shooter with moba elements. It's not overwatch, it's not Dota.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Also calling Overwatch a "MOBA shooter" is like calling Mario Kart a "Rogue like racer" because you start each race fresh with everything reset. It's just an FPS, nothing MOBA about it.

[–] bigboig@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

I think they're calling deadlock a moba, not overwatch

[–] Daedskin@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

I personally think MOBA should be used to broadly describe a style of game rather than what's done while playing it. I know that when Riot coined the term, they were referring to games like DotA, LoL, etc.; to me the whole approach to a match's flow is echoed similarly enough throughout multiple games, that applying the term MOBA to other games is a logical extension.

To me a game is a MOBA if:

The way to interact with it is primarily designed around playing with other players online (the M and O of MOBA.)
The goals of the players are against the goals of other players — ie. it's competitive rather than cooperative (the B of MOBA.)
Any player at the beginning of a match has access to all the same options as any other player. This one is a little more vague, but as the A in MOBA stands for arena, I imagine it like a group of gladiators standing before a communal weapon rack that they'll all pick from; no one has any options that the others don't have access to.

Following these criteria, something like Overwatch is a MOBA, as is DotA, and ironically LoL isn't as you have to unlock options meaning you don't satisfy the arena condition. To differentiate games like DotA, Smite, Awesomenauts, Deadlock, etc., I prefer the term lane-pusher as that's a lot more specific and understandable.

Does it really matter what it's called? Not really. I mostly just do it so I can feel superior to Riot for coming up with a vague term that is applied, how I deem, incorrectly, while also excluding their own game from the term that they made to describe it.

[–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Monday Night Combat

Well, that's a name I haven't heard in a while.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't get how everyone keeps comparing it to those games when Smite exists and it's damn near identical?!

[–] Virkkunen@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago

Because it's not identical. SMITE plays like the top down mobas but in a third person perspective. Deadlock plays like a third person shooter with moba elements.

[–] bigboig@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

I think they're comparing it visually to overwatch

[–] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The point stands that it's derivative. I'm convinced Valve can do better.

[–] Virkkunen@fedia.io 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And isn't everything derivative? What's the issue with that? If feel like you're really trying to gather negativity towards this game simply because it doesn't pander to your tastes

[–] Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 3 weeks ago

Well, I guess your are right that everything is derivative. I also think some things are more alike than others and also some markets are more saturated than others. When Half-Life came out it was in a saturated market of FPSs but it also revolutionized the market. When Portal came out no one could compare it to anything other that a student project. Half-Life Alyx is still considered the no 1 most polished and complete game in the VR space. We'll see the impact that Deadlock will have I guess.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Even if it is, it's a derivation I've been sorely missing. Ever since Battleborn got shut down, there's been a Battleborn shaped hole in my heart. Deadlock fits in that hole really well.

It's possible that the whole impetus for creating Deadlock came from something like that. Someone at valve, like me, enjoyed the hell out this particular mix of mechanics.

There's nothing like it. Dota doesn't do the trick, neither does Overwatch. Of all things, the closest thing might be Titanfall 2's titan combat.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Did you ever try Paladins? I somehow ended up playing Battleborn when it came out and really liked it, even though it got panned. Always thought Paladins was a close second.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

No. Some also like Gigantic, but they never appealed to me enough to try em.

I was in the Battleborn beta, and had such a blast I absolutely had to keep playing, so I bought it day one.

I was really sad to see it be loved by those that played it, and hated as an "Overwatch clone" by everyone else.

[–] KombatWombat@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Gigantic: Rampage Edition is free to claim on Epic Games this week, so if you might be interested in the future, it would be worth grabbing now.