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[–] sxan@midwest.social 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I assume replicators have some non-trivial energy debt, too. If my memory were better, I might even remember an episode where replicators couldn't be used because they were on backup power. Like, compared to warp, it's nothing, but if the warp core or main dilithium generators are offline, replicators don't work.

I know we're in tenforward, but another good post-scarcity-except-when-not is Iain Banks' Culture. Intelligences still trade, but it's more information/skillset/favors based.

[–] TrippaSnippa@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago

Replicators being unusable because of power shortages was an early plot point in Voyager, and there are things that can't just be replicated since they often had to trade with friendly civilisations that they encountered.

Of course, the real answer is that they went with whatever rules suited the plot at the time, consistency be damned.

[–] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I've been on a sci-fi kick recently and started reading more. I'll add this to the list! Thanks!

[–] sxan@midwest.social 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Oh! In so glad I got to be the one to introduce you to Banks!!

A couple of caveats:

  1. There's no starting point, and few overlapping characters. Start anywhere.
  2. Some people think some books are better than others (and some people have strong opinions about a couple of the books). There are a couple books in particular that are commonly considered the best, and the worst. Read at least two before giving up, just in case the first isn't your cup of tea.
  3. Iain is dead; he passed away a few years ago at a relatively young age. He only wrote a dozen or so Culture novels, and there won't be any more (from him).
  4. I went from liking him to him being one of my favorite authors over a period of a decade.

The novels really are all over the place. By the time I'd reached the end of his bibliography, I fell into a depression that there wouldn't be any more. While other authors were his peers and friends, and some are put in the same general "feel" category, he really was quite unique and I haven't yet found an author who could fill his shoes.

If you have time and interest, I'd suggest looking online at some fan sites suggesting entry points (and points to avoid starting with). All his books are good, but I do think a couple read better if you're generally familiar with his writing than as first reads.

I envy you; you're in for a treat. Banks was one of the greats.

[–] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Oh now I'm really looking forward to it. Thanks a bunch! These are really helpful tips!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

You're right that there is no starting point, but I would still start with Consider Phlebas. It was the first novel, so it's a good jumping-in point in terms of being introduced to the basic concepts. It's also still my favorite of the novels.