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Ubuntu was first os I really stuck with for years... It's weird the shifts they made in the past. The horrid Amazon search in unity shell was their first major misstep... And as much as I understand the snap shift, their implementation was balls. I was forced to jump ship when a work reliant version of Citrix somehow completely would break app armor...
I don't know what I intended to really say in this post... Just typing out loud I guess.
I am right there with you on all counts. I’m on openSUSE now and happy as a clam.
I'm on endeavoros ... My pinephone was running arch and I thought it was neat to albeit briefly have the same set up on my phone and laptop. I eventually retreated back to plasma from sway but I have the tiling plugin activated and on.
Expressing your disappointment and confusion I guess..
It's a great entry point for people too intimidated to try something like Pop!_OS, Mint, Aurora, elementaryOS, etc. But for some reason, the people who wind up in places like this tend to use anything but Ubuntu, it seems...
Usually because they've tried Ubuntu and found it lacking.
I use Ubuntu for work and it serves its purpose really well.
It was the first time I really ditched windows and learnt how to use Linux.I have Kubuntu on my personal PC and it feels klunky to me.
So I am not sure why is that, since it uses the same base.
My only issue right now is that I need to split the apps I use between dpkg, apt or snaps and it sucks when I need to uninstall something.
So once my project is done at work, I will try another distro.
If it's for work, it used to be all RHEL (or Oracle). I'm stuck with Oracle for one specific type of system, but all the RHEL is getting replaced with stable AF Debian now. Which is great, since I prefer Debian to pretty much anything else, especially for servers.
Ubuntu I have no interest in touching anymore unfortunately. It was snaps that did it for me. It's unfortunate because it used to be a distro I really liked, but boy has canonical just been working things downhill the past several years (for me at least, I'm sure others are fine with it).
Desktop I keep swinging between Debian and endeavor, to the point where I just have them both as VMs and just swap which is active with the GPU passthrough...
I am thinking of going Debian as well since I like Ubuntu on my work laptop.
I would like to use the same OS for both PC since I am not a power user yet, but I am tempted by endeavourOS to dip my toes into arch linux.
I don't want to have too big of a productivity loss at work (don't care at home), so I am thinking to switch to Debian for work, and EndeavourOS on my personal PC to gain experience with it. If I like endeavourOS a lot, then I can switch my work laptop to it as well.
Isn't it how most Linux users progress?
Honestly I wouldn't use Endeavour for my work machine, I'd stick to Debian. Work, to me, needs to be extremely stable. The only time I'll run something other than Debian for work stuff is to test a specific distribution for a specific need.
Home PC I'm more flexible on, I've just been using Debian/it's derivatives for so long it's second nature for me. If there was something that felt as current and flexible as Endeavour, but based around Debian, that would be my choice in a heartbeat for home use.
But aside from the stuff that runs Oracle Linux (vendor system), every other system (be it a desktop, LXC, or server) is Debian based. Doesn't break unless it's the hardware, and I've got HA to deal with that.
Thanks for the insight, it is really useful. I'll spin up Debian on my work laptop for sure and I'll see how it feels to decide for my personal PC.
In my (admitted probably slightly dated) experience KDE kinda is like that. It's super loaded with bells and whistles, but then because it has so many bells and whistles it's really clear when something doesn't work right. Personally I really like XFCE for having a decent amount of customization while being very stable and very resource light, but it does look like development has become very slow on XFCE (and afaik it doesn't yet have any Wayland support which might be a nail in the coffin moving forwards) but cinnamon is also very nice for similar reasons
I will try out Debian, which uses Wayland by default. So hopefully I will get what I need for my DE.
Otherwise, if nothing works for me, I always go back to Ubuntu if I really don't like Debian.
Distro hopping truly is a way of life!
Just to offset the predictable groupthink in this thread: Ubuntu is fine. In my experience it is rock solid and has been for years. Doubly true for the LTS versions. Yes there there is the slightly troublesome issue of Snaps and the even smaller one of self-advertising. But IME the installer is very solid and that is a crucially important issue for prospective normie users. Ubuntu is still a flagship distro and IMO it now deserves more love than it is getting.
Ubuntu is the only enterprise distro that I can run both at home and at work that also has reasonably up to date packages. Debian and OpenSuse and CentOS (RIP) all run much older packages that may not support what I want to do at home so then my home experience would not match my professional experience.
Sure there's fedora but I don't want to be reinstalling my servers every 8 months or so as a new release comes out
Ubuntu has long support windows and reasonably up to date packages on recent releases, so I can do whatever I want to without too much faffing about but not have to dist-upgrade every 6-24 months if I don't want to. Plus it's an easy one to whip out at work for something because it's a well established enterprise vendor
I’ve been generally happy with Ubuntu. I don’t really care for snaps, but on my headless server that’s not really an issue. I suppose I could have taken the time to uninstall snapd from the server, but I haven’t cared enough to do so.
I ran it on my desktop for quite awhile as well, but there the snap issue was much more present. I hate Firefox as a snap, and while I’m aware of the new Firefox ppa, I decided to switch to fedora since I’ve never used it and wanted to broaden my experience a bit more.
And yes, I’m aware of Red Hat/IBM’s shitty corporate bullshit too. Maybe one of these days I’ll use Arch btw.
Oh, when you try Arch, please tell us about it!
I will! I’m happy with fedora so far, and right now I’ve been focusing on really learning bash and bash scripting. I’ve always been comfortable using the command line, but never really learned it beyond the most basic stuff, I’ve written a number of scripts now as part of this process and it’s been really fun and useful.
Mint is the distro that's most like Windows, but Ubuntu is the project that's most like Microsoft.