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So, I suppose, every company should be non-profit, in your eyes? Everyone should just volunteer their time? I'm just wondering how your utopian society is supposed to function?
You're never going to have free computers. Framework represents the opposite of everything big corpos stand for.
Businesses can be for-profit and still ethical. In fact, the vast majority of them are. It's only the wildly wealthy and powerful ones that are shit. Taking a stand against them is incredibly naive and ignorant.
It is easier to imagine an end to the world than an end to capitalism.
We live in capitalism. Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings.
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Okay so you're just delusional then. Glad we sorted that out!
I don't suppose you work for a profit? Your landlord let's you live for free in their house? Fuckin Ruth's Chris steakhouse just says "ah, you good bruh!" at the checkout counter?
https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/
Maybe I should start charging you a monthly fee for access to lemmy.ml.
Quit reposting this shitty meme. It's not applicable. If you want a society where everyone works for free, you'd better get the ball rolling. Advocating for others to do that while refusing to do it yourself is pure hypocrisy.
Why would I pay you for something I don't even use? And you don't even own? If you want to start your own Lemmy server and charge admission, by all means, go right ahead. But Lemmy by it's very nature wouldn't allow for that since there are hundreds of other free servers. You see anyone out there making laptops for free and just giving them away to anyone who wants them? No? What a bunch of assholes!
Lemmy is something people created in their spare time. When they're not working at their jobs that pay them with money they collect from customers so that they can pay rent and buy food.
This is just such a preposterously insane thing to even put forward.
You are literally the kind of liberal smuglord this meme is about.
I want a society where the capitalist class is abolished, so that it no longer leeches off the labor of the working class.
You’re using it right now, or else you wouldn’t be talking to me.
Forgive me, but I couldn't resist the opportunity to engage in some liberal smuglordery :P
Very cool goal! I wish you luck. However, to achieve your goals you must be rational and pragmatic. The situation in the context of this thread is thus: we have for-profit company Framework making laptops that are highly repairable, friendly to third party mods, and open source software (all things I hope we all agree are "good"). We also have the rest of the industry, most of which are also for-profit which does not do these things. I view the rhetorically pragmatic choice here, given the assumption that Framework contributes to some higher individual utility compared to anything else, is to support their mission, as opposed to dissing them as that in theory may put people off and they may stay with the less ethical companies instead. Or start your own laptop company that's even better than framework and then diss them ;)
The fact that Framework makes nice laptops is orthogonal to anything I’ve said. I might buy one some day. I’m not “dissing” Framework in particular over other capitalist laptop makers. My only specific criticism is in their trawling for free labor from their fan base.
Not really involved in this conversation, but you are literally calling this guy a smuglord while smugly treating him like he's an idiot.
The way you're using that meme looks like smug feelgood self-supporting blanket rejection of any argument as being from a 'smuglord'.
Grow up. Live your communist dream, but if you try to shove it down someone's throat, particularly in an inapplicable situation, don't be surprised if you find yourself choking instead.
@bastion @davel
Workers being paid nothing is more of a capitalist dream, is it not?