1387
this post was submitted on 05 Jul 2023
1387 points (98.2% liked)
Android
28031 readers
120 users here now
DROID DOES
Welcome to the droidymcdroidface-iest, Lemmyest (Lemmiest), test, bestest, phoniest, pluckiest, snarkiest, and spiciest Android community on Lemmy (Do not respond)! Here you can participate in amazing discussions and events relating to all things Android.
The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:
Rules
1. All posts must be relevant to Android devices/operating system.
2. Posts cannot be illegal or NSFW material.
3. No spam, self promotion, or upvote farming. Sources engaging in these behavior will be added to the Blacklist.
4. Non-whitelisted bots will be banned.
5. Engage respectfully: Harassment, flamebaiting, bad faith engagement, or agenda posting will result in your posts being removed. Excessive violations will result in temporary or permanent ban, depending on severity.
6. Memes are not allowed to be posts, but are allowed in the comments.
7. Posts from clickbait sources are heavily discouraged. Please de-clickbait titles if it needs to be submitted.
8. Submission statements of any length composed of your own thoughts inside the post text field are mandatory for any microblog posts, and are optional but recommended for article/image/video posts.
Community Resources:
We are Android girls*,
In our Lemmy.world.
The back is plastic,
It's fantastic.
*Well, not just girls: people of all gender identities are welcomed here.
Our Partner Communities:
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
I’m curious as to why you think using a password manager is a crutch.
This is probably an outdated view, but I remember at one poibt that a good password is to be easy to remember and hard to guess.
However with the ever prevalent password cracking passwords have been pushed further and further into obscurity. With a difficult to remember character requirements making it difficult for the average user to remember their passwords. (Worked with enough family and enough "forgotten passwords")
To prevent passwords from being forgotten most people write them down. But thats a bad idea, thus Password Managers. But they both reinforce the notion of making passwords hard for people to remember, with being more convient for the user, while at the same time potentially being worse then a sticky note. Since all passwords are in one place secured by one password (lastpass).
A website host or service provider needs to be the ones vigilent for this, not the user. The tools like salted passwords, 2fa and keeping their data and databases secured. And honestly for personal use, a note book of passwords is alot more secured since you need physical access to the book and your machine as well as knowledge that this books exists to get your passwords.
A good password you need to recall and type should be easy to remember and hard to guess indeed - diceware is a good solution for creating such passwords, given sufficient length.
But for everything else a password manager provides more benefits for the average user than drawbacks. When used properly, it creates very complex passwords that the user never has to recall - the password manager enters the password and all the user needs is a single "good" password to access all others. The drawback, as with most hosted services, is trust. Though most citizens of the modern internet have already accepted that risk multiple times over.
Also, a site administrator providing for salted, well-hashed password storage doesn't mitigate a user configuring
hunter2as their password - they're going to lose access to that account. 2FA mitigates this somewhat, but not enough to evade a well crafted phishing attempt. The onus is very much on the user to protect their account with unique, complex passwords that aren't used, in part (e.g. as a prefix) or in whole, on other websites/services.Hopefully this all becomes moot with wide adoption of Passkeys and we're indeed heading in that direction. But for now, we're stuck with passwords.